52 Year old data tape could contain Unix history

(theregister.com)

93 points | by rbanffy 4 hours ago

4 comments

  • 1970-01-01 42 minutes ago
    Nice find! That's around the same time the moon tapes went MIA. Look around a little more.
  • gxd 3 hours ago
    This is an incredible find. It would be amazingly cool if we could create an emulated environment for compiling and running Unix v4 from these sources.
    • ndiddy 3 hours ago
      SIMH emulates the PDP-11 (along with a ton of other early mini/microcomputers). It should be possible to run whatever's extracted from the tapes on SIMH. For example, the members of the TUHS mailing list were able to get an even earlier set of UNIX sources from 1972 running again, see here for more info: https://github.com/DoctorWkt/unix-jun72
    • Eddy_Viscosity2 3 hours ago
      Wild if we found out these early versions were rife with spyware and ads.
      • 3eb7988a1663 2 hours ago
        This will be the linchpin that proves SCO was right all along.
      • tylerflick 3 hours ago
        Or even worse, what if they vibe coded it?
    • notorandit 2 hours ago
      For doing what?
      • chasil 25 minutes ago
        Unfortunately, I am working for an aerospace manufacturer that runs VAX VMS on emulators (which are quite expensive). We also run an even older operating system, OS2200.

        The original VMS system manager who moved from 7000 series hardware to emulation was somewhat inquisitive, and we did install VMS 7 on simh. He retired and passed away some years ago, and none of his replacements have wanted to touch simh. I find that apathy appalling.

      • Pet_Ant 2 hours ago
        For the same reason one visits a museum. If that doesn't make sense to you, then doing this won't either.
      • Aldipower 28 minutes ago
        If you cannot learn from history, you'll have no future too, man.
      • iefbr14 2 hours ago
        For nostalgia sake. It's from the computing period when there was a great influx of good idea's but still a huge shortage in memory and storage.
        • amelius 1 hour ago
          > a huge shortage in memory and storage

          Maybe this explains why we have to call "creat" to "create" a file.

      • dare944 2 hours ago
        For me, it's a chance to experience what it was like to use and develop software on these systems back in the day. For example, lately I've been writing some small apps and adding new kernel features to a variant of V6 Unix running on my PDP-11/05. It's humbling to see what it really took to be productive on these systems.
  • drob518 45 minutes ago
    This is cool if it pans out, but I have three words for you: Al Capone’s vaults.
  • notorandit 2 hours ago
    I have mixed feelings.

    On one side I think we need to preserve this relic as we did with Homer's poetry. Because it just deserves.

    On another side I think we won't (and should not) try to preserve in an infinite present whatever has been written by humanity. For what purpose?

    • observationist 1 hour ago
      Understanding, and inspiration. They had to create under serious constraints in compute, memory, and storage, and understanding how and why they did can lead to ideas about how to optimize software on modern machines.

      It's also critical for understanding how and why the engineering choices were made when documenting the evolution of processing. Instruction sets, processor design, programming languages, computer culture, corporate trends, all of those things have roots in design decisions, and the software preserved on tapes like this are a sort of DNA.

      The effort needed to incorporate the information is dropping, with AI you can run analysis and grab important principles and so on, and whatever principles govern optimization and performance under constraints will be useful on a permanent basis.

    • LorenDB 2 hours ago
      Old software like Unix tends to be some of the best-written software ever. Saving these systems gives us a valuable learning resource.
    • Aldipower 26 minutes ago
      Call it a piece of art. For me it is. And I won't discuss art here, because this is difficult. :-)
    • BolexNOLA 2 hours ago
      You never know what will be important to people in the future.

      I just listened to a great new episode (podcast) of The Truth (audio drama anthology series, they’re fantastic). It was called “The Joke.” Basically this archivist finds an old hard drive with a dumb pun joke - turns out she didn’t even understand it because jokes were no longer allowed in society. Kind of has an Equilibrium vibe but more bureaucratic and less “killing people for feeling.” Anyway the joke itself takes on great importance as a result. Bit of a dramatic comparison, but you see what I’m driving at.

    • Johnny555 1 hour ago
      There's so little cost to store the contents of a single 9 track tape that there doesn't need to be any reason at all to do it.