22 comments

  • londons_explore 2 hours ago
    You can do a while lifetimes work, and yet sometimes it's a tiny action like this which can have the biggest benefit to mankind.

    Just think how many billions of times someone has avoided pulling up to the wrong side of the pump because of this arrow - literal lifetimes of effort saved.

    • lostlogin 1 hour ago
      The person (committee?) who came up with USB A needs sanctions.

      And Apple Needs more, for putting power buttons and key ports at that back.

      • qwertytyyuu 1 hour ago
        No the people who decided that usb 3.2 gen 2x2 and usb 4 version 2.0 gen 4x2 were acceptable names are the ones who should be sanctioned
      • pa7ch 1 hour ago
        whats wrong with usb-a? I feels more sturdy and less likely to have connection issues then usb-c in my experience.
        • lostlogin 50 minutes ago
          > whats wrong with usb-a?

          Which way up it should go.

          • schmuckonwheels 37 minutes ago
            PS/2, which USB all but replaced, solved this by visually keying one side of the connector as flat.
          • thih9 10 minutes ago
            Where the logo is.
            • lostlogin 8 minutes ago
              And when the port is vertical and you can’t see it?

              I’m surprised how tolerable people seemed to find Apples rear ports.

          • sitharus 47 minutes ago
            The other way
          • thaumasiotes 15 minutes ago
            It's very weird that USB-C solved the problem of "we can't tell which way to insert the plug" by mandating that both orientations should work, as opposed to just making the exterior of the plug as asymmetrical as the interior.
            • asplake 3 minutes ago
              Less weird as they get smaller. Call it an accessibility thing if you like, but I think it's better for everyone and congrats to them. Isn't this what technology is supposed to do, make things easier?
      • stephenr 18 minutes ago
        Which rear facing "key port" on a Mac are you suggesting should be on the front?
        • lostlogin 10 minutes ago
          > Which rear facing "key port" on a Mac are you suggesting should be on the front?

          USB.

          I used iMacs, mini and pro machines. Any ports in the front would be nice.

          My mini does have some front ports. It’s less of an issue with usb-c but the iMac presumably still rear mounts them.

  • schmuckonwheels 39 minutes ago
    2020s UX "experts" would bury the entire instrument cluster under a hamburger menu if they could get away with it.

    The fuel gauge would be moved three menus deep and thus impossible to find, then removed in subsequent model years when their telemetry data "proved" no one used it anymore.

    • unglaublich 24 minutes ago
      In the end, these engineers' job is make profit for the company. If the customer allows for all this crap, and still buys cars/fridges/tvs with such horrible UX, then it's the way forward.
      • schmuckonwheels 7 minutes ago
        >If the customer allows for all this crap

        You imply they ever had a choice.

        Companies like Tesla and Rivian pioneered the trend of bringing webshit-as-an-instrument cluster to the mainstream. Other car companies saw dollar signs, rode their coattails and immediately copied it.

        What is a customer supposed to do? Buy a Mitsubishi Mirage? Build their own instrument cluster?

    • hexbin010 3 minutes ago
      [delayed]
    • eastbound 32 minutes ago
      It drives usage up! Seriously, I wonder whether this “Make things to annoy people” trend is a normal situation, or an emerging behavior due to our era, and whether it will be solved one day. Example: In 2003 all UX was abominable, programs were ugly and black and white and text and boring, then came the iPhone with the idea to hire designers for apps, it was entirely new and absolutely unseen before. It was necessary during the take off phase of our industry, but are we simply witnessing the regression to normal, with UX being driven by corporate suits?
  • wombatpm 1 hour ago
    Which is great for new cars. I drove a 78 Buick Riviera. Friends couldn’t figure out how to fill it up. Because the gas cap was behind the license plate in the back!
    • waldrews 1 hour ago
      Why didn't they just ask ChatGPT?

      Oh wait.

      • charcircuit 1 hour ago
        For those curious, the first sentence of the response from ChatGPT gets it correct.

        >On a 1978 Buick Riviera, the gas cap is hidden behind a flip-down license plate on the rear bumper.

  • mongol 20 minutes ago
    Is the side to fill up evenly balanced between cars in average? I imagine there is value to make it close to 50/50 to simplify the logistics at the gas station. I was thinking car manufacturers perhaps had agreed so that some brands do it one way and some do it another
    • zmgsabst 8 minutes ago
      Even if there was a single side for filling, direction of approach being random is enough for 50/50 utilization of the pumps — so I’m not convinced there’s a pressure to spread which side the tank is on.
  • daveoc64 21 minutes ago
    I'm from the UK and had honestly not heard of the arrow.

    I've checked my Toyota Yaris, and it's there!

  • phibz 2 hours ago
    On cars without the arrow they often follow the convention where the gas filler handle is depicted on the same side of the gas icon as the filler door is in the car.
    • pants2 42 minutes ago
      I've heard that the gauge always points towards the side the cap is on when pointing to empty
      • anjel 6 minutes ago
        Far too subtle
    • nutjob2 2 hours ago
      First time I've heard of that convention.
  • ryanjshaw 2 hours ago
    Anybody else get confused by whether the arrow represents where the car should be or the pump?
    • LoFiSamurai 2 hours ago
      No
    • KellyCriterion 47 minutes ago
      Isnt it that nowadays usually on the side of the driving seat? Or does this apply only to EU vehicles?

      Im not a regular car user, if at all Im renting - but the last 10 times(?) it was always just on the side of the driving seat

      • onion2k 22 minutes ago
        Isnt it that nowadays usually on the side of the driving seat? Or does this apply only to EU vehicles?

        That would mean designing two separate entire fuel tank placements, fuel lines, etc for cars that are available both in left- and right-hand drive variants, with different SKUs for each of the parts needed. There is no way a car manufacturer would do that.

      • tripledry 25 minutes ago
        Im not aware of such a convention, I'm in the EU and most cars I've owned or driven has it on the opposite side of the driving seat.

        Might just be a coincidence

        • scott_w 20 minutes ago
          It’s a coincidence because the UK uses the same cars and ours are mostly on the same side (because we’re right hand drive where you’re left hand drive).
      • apparent 45 minutes ago
        I think it depends. Especially with PHEVs, which also have a charge port, whose location is determined by charging infrastructure, and which is not IME on the same side as the gas tank opening.
    • michaelmdresser 2 hours ago
      I think this is the source of me misinterpreting the symbol a few times, so yes.
    • mongol 26 minutes ago
      I do. It is not obvious in any case
    • sublinear 1 hour ago
      I agree. As much as people appreciate the factoid, it's not an example of good design.

      I don't ever recall the arrow being paid attention to until listicles and other blog spam were born. It has all the elements of great clickbait.

      • gk1 1 hour ago
        I actually use it all the time when driving a rental.
        • mhdhn 1 hour ago
          I use it all the time because I switch between a lot of different cars a lot, and my memory is not that great.
        • jquery 32 minutes ago
          That isn’t in conflict with it being bad design.
      • mayneack 1 hour ago
        I use it regularly
      • jquery 33 minutes ago
        It’s terrible design. Until I encountered one of these listicles I had no idea what that arrow was.
  • apparent 42 minutes ago
    I was like 20 when I learned about this trick. Before then I'd only driven a few vehicles, and I just knew which side of the car the gas tank opening was on. A friend mentioned it when we were going to fill up a car a borrowed car and I asked which side it was on.

    I've since met many adults who were unaware of this trick. It's like the real-world analog of an insufficiently discoverable UI functionality.

  • celeritascelery 2 hours ago
    I had no idea till this moment that’s what the arrow was for…
    • acheron 1 hour ago
      I didn’t know it was possible to not know this.
      • phantasmish 31 minutes ago
        Nobody ever told me and I drove my first car for a long time, rarely drove other people’s cars, and did not have the kind of lifestyle that either supported or required rental cars.

        I found out around age 35, I think. From reading it online. I’ve told a bunch of people who didn’t know.

      • apparent 39 minutes ago
        Who taught you? I didn't know until my 20s and have met many adults who didn't know.
      • AlotOfReading 1 hour ago
        I've encountered a few cars where the arrow points to the wrong side, and it's quite subtle if no one tells you.
    • nutjob2 2 hours ago
      I'm sure about 99% of people are in the same boat.
      • kirubakaran 1 hour ago
        The signage is for cars, not boats.
  • arjvik 34 minutes ago
    One of the many patron saints of engineers!

    If he so believed in it, may his arrow be pointing up! :)

  • toomuchtodo 6 days ago
  • tiku 1 hour ago
    One of my previous cars didn't have the signaling arrow and I missed it instantly. Such a subtle great idea.
  • tjr 1 hour ago
    Wow! I just used this a few days ago when I rented a U-Haul van. Such a great user interface element.
  • sodafountan 30 minutes ago
    My Dad explained to me what this symbol meant when I got my first car. We went to get gas, and I had no idea that I pulled up on the wrong side of the pump. He indicated that the symbol told you which side of the car the gas tank was on.

    It was a 1994 Ford Taurus.

  • weinzierl 1 hour ago
    It's a convenient little invention but "the fact that there wasn't a simple way to know which side of a vehicle the gas tank was located on" is not quite true.

    Usually, if the vehicle is of Japanese or British origin, the cap is on the left, otherwise it is on the right.

    Source: I’ve driven dozens of different vehicle models all over Europe for decades. This rule always worked well enough for me.

  • luckydata 16 minutes ago
    That's funny, I know someone that's fairly famous in the product development world that claimed to be the inventor of the gas pump arrow. Weird thing to lie about.
  • cf100clunk 5 days ago
  • anigbrowl 2 hours ago
    Why would you not just always put it on the driver's side, since they're the most likely to be doing the refueling?
    • netsharc 2 hours ago
      And which side is the driver side? Surprise, it depends on the country. And a Japanese car manufacturer will move the driver controls to sell cars in USA/Continental Europe, but flipping everything else will cost more.

      I've driven 2 models of an Italian brand, my previous car had the gas tank on the passenger side, and my current one has it on the driver side. I do wonder why they changed it.

      There's also the issue of pulling to a small road side petrol station, having the fuel door on the passenger side means you don't have to be standing next to the busy road while refuelling.

      • globular-toast 32 minutes ago
        I live in the UK (drive on the left) and my Honda had it on the passenger side while my VW has it on the driver's side.
      • wickedsight 36 minutes ago
        > I do wonder why they changed it.

        Depending on model years, it could have something to do with Fiat merging with Chrysler in 2014. European brands usually have them on the passenger's side, while US brands have them on the driver's side. Maybe that new Fiat was designed in the US.

      • thomassmith65 1 hour ago
        As it should be. If the Globalist cabal had their way, everyone would drive on the same side of the road (like mindless assembly line workers) and traffic signs would be completely standardized, and - yes - the fuel filler would be on the same side of every car (welcome to a monotonous Communist dystopia). They already came for Sweden ('Dagen H' Plan. Do your own research) /s
    • npunt 1 hour ago
      safest place is put it opposite of drivers side, because if you're out of gas on the side of the road and filling it up, you won't be standing right next to freeway traffic. Saab started this.
      • nullhole 1 hour ago
        A linked article agrees:

          "... many European cars have the fuel door located on the passenger side, while many Japanese and American vehicles have the fuel door on the driver side. Both techniques have valid reasons. European automakers place the fuel filler on the passenger side for the sake of safety when a vehicle has run out of fuel and has pulled off onto the shoulder of the road to fill up from a canister. Meanwhile, American OEMs tend to place the fuel door on the driver side of the vehicle for convenience reasons, so that a driver doesn't have to walk around the vehicle when filling up at a gas station."[0]
        
        Brings to mind the Dead Kennedys album name, "Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death"

        [0] https://fordauthority.com/2020/08/ford-designer-credited-for...

        • KellyCriterion 45 minutes ago
          thank you, didnt know that, although Im in EU :-))
      • charcircuit 1 hour ago
        Is that actually safer? Both you and drivers lose visibility which in my mind makes it more dangerous.
    • arijun 2 hours ago
      What happens when they sell the car in a country that drives on the other side of the road? They would have to move everything around.
      • chongli 1 hour ago
        They could design the fuel tank to be symmetrical about the axis parallel to the car’s axels. This would let it be flipped during installation at the factory to have the refueling port facing either side. Then the only difference would be the body panel and little door that covers the gas cap.
        • sitharus 43 minutes ago
          Many (mostly European and North American) manufacturers can’t even be bothered flipping the indicator and light controls around, there’s no way they’d flip the whole fuel tank.
        • kube-system 47 minutes ago
          They could but there are downstream packaging compromises that would cause. It is easier to design the vehicle without imposing that design constraint on yourself
      • aryonoco 30 minutes ago
        They don’t. It stays on the same side as it was. They don’t move the bonnet opening lever or the indicator stalk either.
    • fourtwentynine 1 hour ago
      My plug-in hybrid (Audi Q5) has the electric connector on the rear left (driver’s side) and the gasoline inlet on the rear right. I sure plug in way more than fill up.

      The fuel side indicator is quite helpful to me.

      • apparent 40 minutes ago
        Funny, my PHEV had it on the opposite side. Did you find it difficult to charge at stations, which are often designed for front-left or rear-right charge ports?
  • sumoboy 32 minutes ago
    Nobody getting gas at Costco cares.
    • schmuckonwheels 29 minutes ago
      Most people do, with the exception of the woman awkwardly stretching the long hose over the roof of her minivan, scratching it in the process.
  • deathanatos 2 hours ago
    What a letter. Clear, concise, just chef's kiss. I love that little indicator.
  • markus_zhang 2 hours ago
    I only knew it because someone talked about that. Very useful. RIP.
  • iancmceachern 1 hour ago
    I use his arrow all the time. I'm also a Ford Truck Fan. RIP James.