The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

(lanes.sh)

13 points | by s-xyz 3 hours ago

8 comments

  • heckelson 3 hours ago
    I feel like I'm starting to have an allergic reaction to the AI writing style. I can no longer unsee it, albeit I can't exactly pinpoint what about the text triggers this guttal reaction.
    • operatingthetan 3 hours ago
      Because it's a machine pretending to have experiences. It uses abstract phrasing by default in a way that people don't. So the output feels uncanny. Starting to see this all over reddit comments too. I don't know what the point of not writing your own comments is, other than spam.
      • teleforce 2 hours ago
        >I don't know what the point of not writing your own comments is, other than spam.

        I think it will reach to the point of "dogfooding".

        Those who's not crafting their own comments will be treated as those who's not using their written software.

      • maipen 2 hours ago
        We are really reaching a point where the internet is becoming so unbearable. People that don't write their comments often want to farm engagment or just wanna sound smart. Either way, the thirst is disgusting to me.
    • s-xyz 3 hours ago
      I hear you, its the same for me tbh, BUT I strongly stand behind the content written. Writing skills are degrading.
      • operatingthetan 2 hours ago
        At this point someone's low quality writing is more compelling than all these people who can't be bothered to express themselves. Like I could write this blog post in 10 seconds:

        I realized recently that AI agents are so good that we don't need to read code anymore. I told my team to uninstall all their IDEs as an experiment. A few weeks later they agreed with me. Lanes is a tool that enables this new coding paradigm. I'd love it if you checked it out.

        Easy.

      • gnabgib 2 hours ago
        How does the disclaimer fit into this?

        > This article was written with the help of AI

    • bedroom_jabroni 2 hours ago
      I've become conditioned to go catatonic when I see a sentence structured like "It's not X (that is Y), it's Z"
    • namanyayg 3 hours ago
      It's absolutely disgusting and I feel almost offended that I am supposed to spend time reading something that the author clearly hasn't even spent time writing.

      I am okay with using AI or software to proofread and improve a piece of writing but this one is clearly fully written by AI, as is evident with the short sentences and the awkward writing style -- no human actually writes or talks like that.

  • dleslie 2 hours ago
    > You're spending more time orchestrating than creating.

    Orchestration is a form of creating. I've lead teams of programmers; while it is different than orchestrating AI, programmers typically require less hand-holding, it is not so different in how it is a form of delegating effort to achieve your creative goals.

    > The agents aren't the problem. Your brain is.

    If anything, my worry is that relying too heavily on agents will cause my knowledge to be forgotten and my skills to atrophy. I don't particularly want to stop programming so much as it is that I want to develop software as part of a team. That team now includes some AI agents, as well as humans.

    The need to write code isn't going anywhere. I expect that in the very long term it will retain value, as developing expert level programming ability will be a difficult challenge when so much can be accomplished with little to no such ability.

  • pmarreck 2 hours ago
    I do all my dev in CC now.

    Only occasionally review with an editor.

    CC is great at many things but one area it is still not great at is making GUI interactions look and work properly. Literally likely because it can neither see the GUI (without manual screenshot intervention) nor can it see it change over time. So if for example a progress indication is not working correctly, it will totally miss stuff like that.

    • dleslie 2 hours ago
      I find it's often faster for me to finish the final 20% myself than to talk the agent into doing it for me; because too often the agent will start to eat its own tail, and spend far too long completing something that I find obvious.
      • contextfree 2 hours ago
        Yes, and English/natural language is not necessarily more concise than programming languages, if you need to describe something precisely.

        For example, I was recently trying to get an agent to debug something which was difficult to debug because it ran in an exotic context, where debuggers and logging and printf couldn't easily reach. The agent kept coming up with more and more elaborate and smart-sounding theories and debugging strategies, but nothing worked. I stupidly kept going with this for like 20 minutes, until finally I just went into an IDE, did a simple "comment bisection" where I commented stuff out until I found the line that was breaking, and found and fixed the problem in five minutes. So I solved it by typing code. The code I typed: "//" (in about six places). I could probably have gotten the agent to do the same thing but would have actually literally had to type more to explain to the agent what I wanted. In fact it took me longer to write this comment describing what I did here than it did to just do it.

    • s-xyz 2 hours ago
      Yeah I can see that. How many Claude or Codex terminal sessions do you run in parallel?
  • jcuenod 46 minutes ago
    Wait, I thought it was the 2nd of April today?
  • nh23423fefe 2 hours ago
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    • guzfip 2 hours ago
      I’m frankly surprised it hasn’t been flagged to hell yet.
      • s-xyz 2 hours ago
        Flagged just now. Feels like the early days of Stackoverflow :)
  • andrewstuart 2 hours ago
    >> I recently told all my engineers to delete their IDEs. PyCharm, VS Code, Cursor. All of them.

    I’m all in on AI assisted development but this is ridiculous.

    There’s so many self evident reasons to need an IDE as a developer.

    Presumably the unidentified author is selling something that benefits from such a stance.

    • andrewl 2 hours ago
      Yes. And then after you throw all your tools away you should buy my software.
      • andrewstuart 2 hours ago
        I’d resign on the spot if my team lead told me to delete all IDEs and that coding is solved.
        • dleslie 2 hours ago
          Nah, quiet quit. Orchestrate the agents to the degree necessary to keep your job, and no more. Use the free time to read a book.
        • fragmede 2 hours ago
          If all coding is solved, what do they need you for? You'd be laid off before you could quit if that was the case.
          • operatingthetan 2 hours ago
            Exactly, if coding is solved, why do they have a team? I'm sure doing all their engineering through an openclaw instance is totally a good idea, right?
    • maipen 2 hours ago
      Exactly, our gen's gold rush.
  • RobRivera 3 hours ago
    Alexa,

    Play despacito

  • jmclnx 2 hours ago
    ADE ? This is when I know we are running out of acronyms :)

    ADE was the "Advanced Development Environment" that you could get in the 80s for the Wang VS System. ADE started suffering from some minor bitrot, so on the VS I wrote my own I called DE, Development Environment.

    There was a decent chance DE would have been bundled with Wangs VS on AIX Environment that was being built in R&D, but the company went Chapter 11 and that project was cancelled :(

    • s-xyz 2 hours ago
      So cool! What alternative acronym do you propose?
      • jmclnx 2 hours ago
        None, that project is long dead, I just find it interesting we seems to have run out of acronyms, especially 3 letter ones.
        • s-xyz 2 hours ago
          Like domain names :)