Where's Ed: Anthropic Told Court $5B but Public $19B

(flyingpenguin.com)

25 points | by jorisw 4 hours ago

5 comments

  • josh-sematic 1 hour ago
    Weird article. “Our annualized revenue as of March 2026 is $19b” is not “telling the public we’ve made $19b.” And the discrepancy the author points at is actually more like revenue to date “exceeds $5b” vs revenue to date looking like $6.7b. I hate to tell you, but $6.7b exceeds $5b.
    • vb-8448 36 minutes ago
      "Exceeds $5b" is a weird way to say "5$b +34%" ...

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of Zitron, but the narrative around revenues and profitability around AI labs are quite misleading.

      • brainwad 29 minutes ago
        If you look at the table, the implied revenue for March 2026 was $1.58b. So isn't this just a case of the $5b number being from one month earlier than the $6.66b number? Ed dismisses this, but it seems to be the obvious answer - the CFO quote is from March 9, 2026, so 70% of the March 2026 revenue presumably had not yet been earnt. If you subtract that out (or even the whole month, which would also make sense), it checks out: you get something between $5.08b and $5.54b, reasonably describable as "exceeding $5b".
        • vb-8448 20 minutes ago
          The $19b ARR is from March 3rd, so it is based on the revenue from February.
          • brainwad 18 minutes ago
            Ah, OK. It still seems reasonable they might report the number in the court affadavit with one month lag for various reasons. The root cause in the discrepancy is just that Anthropic claims to be (and appears to be) on a ridiculous tear, with +35% MoM growth. OP and Ed both seem to dismiss this as impossible, but it seems to align with Anthropic's recent desperate search for more capacity.
            • vb-8448 8 minutes ago
              > they might report the number in the court affadavit with one month lag for various reasons

              According to the article the total revenue figure in the affidavit is “to date”, so basically 8th or March.

              • brainwad 0 minutes ago
                I expect that no figure ever tended to the courts this way is actually correct literally to the date of filing. It's whatever numbers were in the most recent accounts when it was signed off.
      • glenngillen 20 minutes ago
        Zitron’s narrative around AI revenues is that somehow the people Anthropic/OpenAI etc are pitching to, people who meet the sophisticated or wholesale investor tests (i.e., the only people actually able to trade on this information) do not know what ARR means, how it’s different from revenue, and are unable to read financial statements for themselves. And that he is seemingly the only one with insight, with the partial bits of information he has access to, that can tell them the truth of the situation.

        I used to love his stuff. Until he just wouldn’t stop beating this drum so breathlessly. Now I wonder how much I’d suffered Gell-Man amnesia with the other content of his I’d previously enjoyed.

    • darkwater 52 minutes ago
      Maybe for people used to deal with financial announcements, but from my ignorant and naive point of view, if I read that claim I think instinctively that they made $19b during the last 12 months, not that they are going to maybe make it if they keep the same rate as the last month for the next 12 months.
      • matwood 8 minutes ago
        It's certainly not a perfect number, but what else are you going to do for a fast growing business? If it does 1B month 1, 5B month 2 and 10B month 3, how does an investor extrapolate the next 12 months? Obviously it's a forecast and will be imperfect without more data. Any potential large investor will be given more financials to help them determine if the 10B was a 1 time event or if it is actually recurring. The harder part is understanding the growth rate.

        The be fair to Zitron he claims that enterprise customers are likely paying up front so it won't continue in future months. But now we're into accrual for the future revenues which further complicates the analysis.

      • yen223 51 minutes ago
        "Annualized revenue" is a projection, and is known to be a projection.
        • csomar 31 minutes ago
          The problem is, annualized revenue doesn’t work when your income has a 3 standard of deviation month to month. It is standard for other fields/businesses but these tend to have stable month to month revenue.
          • nraynaud 22 minutes ago
            I would venture that's it's the whole reason they use it. because it doesn't work.
        • throwaway713 43 minutes ago
          Interesting. I’m going to start describing my “annualized impact” in my performance self-reviews in terms of all the things I project that I’ll do.
          • fluidcruft 40 minutes ago
            Go for it. Be aware of what happens to your stock when expectations you set do not materialize.
          • rvnx 25 minutes ago
            Investors don't want results anyway, they want a dream. Until the IPO which is the final boss stage where you are selling forward looking profits
      • fluidcruft 45 minutes ago
        Wall Street be like that (and worse). Caveat emptor.
    • roenxi 6 minutes ago
      Also, the revenue curve probably looks like well behaved exponential growth when Anthropic plots it out. Given that they're making speculative claims in a fast-changing environment anyway, I personally would probably cope if they included extrapolated growth in their annualised revenue figures. Not sure what the custom is, but as the article notes we're dealing with made-up numbers and wild guesses from the accountant's perspective, so it doesn't sound like there is any particular reason to just multiply the current revenue by 12 without making some basic adjustments for the growth rate they're seeing internally.
  • diatone 19 minutes ago
    Revenue recognition for private companies generally is less precise than for public companies, which in the US are obligated to report under GAAP, which uses a different indicator than annualised revenue so public companies are comparable.

    It makes sense to scrutinise Anthropic’s revenue in the lead up to IPO on those grounds; their AR figure simply isn’t comparable to revenue numbers from other firms.

    However it doesn’t make sense to be sensational about this - iirc reporting GAAP revenue is a necessary condition of going public so the chickens will come home to roost one way or another.

  • DeathArrow 2 minutes ago
    Maybe Claude just hallucinated the answers. :)
  • clearstack 24 minutes ago
    at 3x YoY growth, annualized run rate can be 4-5x trailing revenue. the gap is structural, not deceptive. courts want historical actuals; investors want trajectory
  • cmiles8 41 minutes ago
    In the current environment of circular money flows “revenue” is a fuzzy number. That’s part of the challenge here. There’s concerning gaps between the money flowing in circles and net-new money entering the ecosystem.