Private Equity Bought America's Essential Services

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156 points | by NoRagrets 2 hours ago

25 comments

  • spyckie2 19 minutes ago
    The irony is that PEs exist largely because of pension funds. So to sum it up (not so nicely) we are transferring value from our current standard of living to pay for retirement checks for our old folks.

    Pensions fund a significant part of PE and they do so because they need around a 7% return in order to look solvent. If they do not have the higher PE returns, they basically go out if cash in 10 years and everyone would scream bloody murder. But with the higher returns from PE they have 40-50 year runways and people can pretend everything is fine.

    So PE firms exist to extract value from basically all high quality goods and services to show a high ROI to prop up pensions. They extract wealth by buying up companies and gutting the “extra” things in them - for luxury goods, it’s quality, customer service and warranties (like my venta humidifier or reformation dresses), for services it’s stripping the underlying excess risk management and quality control. One can argue that PEs make the business more efficient but in my opinion they just turn worker or consumer related benefits into profits (stakeholder and business benefits). It’s a transfer of value from worker and consumer to business and asset holders at a massive scale.

    But sadly it’s not some evil dudes at the top doing this transfer, the market force behind it is because we promised old people way too aggressive paychecks when they retired. Pensions need to invest massive amounts of money into higher rates of return and PEs just happened to be the medium that is the most successful. Sure the people running the PE firm extract a ton of value drying up all luxury quality and robust services from the daily lives of working families, but their take home is a tiny fraction of the wealth they extract (but yes they take home a massive amount of wealth for an individual). Instead the wealth extracted shows up on a 1400$/m for some old person probably living in a retirement home somewhere.

    So if you wanna fix or ban PE, solve pensions.

    • thijson 3 minutes ago
      I wonder if this creates opportunity for spinning up competitors to these PE owned companies. If they are underinvesting in their products in order to extract value eventually their offerings will not be competitive.
    • nemomarx 5 minutes ago
      Why don't pensions just invest in index funds generally? High required rate of returns or?
    • didip 17 minutes ago
      Had pension fund just invest in VOO, PE won't need to exist.
  • scary-size 6 minutes ago
    Huh, that somehow reminds me of Crassus from Rome [1]

    > The first ever Roman fire brigade was created by Crassus. Fires were almost a daily occurrence in Rome, and Crassus took advantage of the fact that Rome had no fire department, by creating his own brigade—500 men strong—which rushed to burning buildings at the first cry of alarm. Upon arriving at the scene, however, the firefighters did nothing while Crassus offered to buy the burning building from the distressed property owner, at a miserable price. If the owner agreed to sell the property, his men would put out the fire; if the owner refused, then they would simply let the structure burn to the ground. After buying many properties this way, he rebuilt them, and often leased the properties to their original owners or new tenants.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Licinius_Crassus

    • b65e8bee43c2ed0 2 minutes ago
      >Upon arriving at the scene, however, the firefighters did nothing while Crassus offered to buy the burning building from the distressed property owner, at a miserable price.

      sigma

  • randusername 24 minutes ago
    Article doesn't really dig into the angle I personally find most horrifying, strip-mining social capital.

    In my area PE is gobbling up mom-and-pop apartment complexes, plumbing companies, restaurants, and generally making customers and employees alike pretty miserable.

    Hard-working founders should be able to cash out, but there has to be a better system than this one. Succession, maybe. Not that we should push an unmysterious destiny on our children, but maybe more ought to consider pulling one?

    • rocketpastsix 19 minutes ago
      I think part of the problem with the succession idea is that a lot of people in these positions worked these hard jobs to try and give their kids a better life. They encouraged their kids to go to school for their passions and now those kids are in careers far removed from what their parents did.

      Instead of succession, I wonder if there is a way to make it easier for these people to sell their company when its time to retire to someone who is looking to start the next step of their career. A lot of software engineers joke about becoming farmers, but if they could instead make an easy transition into a small business by buying a small business, we could prevent PE from raiding things.

    • dandellion 15 minutes ago
      This scene from Ubik has been coming back to my mind very often recently:

      The door refused to open. It said, “Five cents, please.”

      He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. “I’ll pay you tomorrow,” he told the door. Again he tried the knob. Again it remained locked tight. “What I pay you,” he informed it, “is in the nature of a gratuity; I don’t have to pay you.”

      “I think otherwise,” the door said. “Look in the purchase contract you signed when you bought this conapt.”

      In his desk drawer he found the contract; since signing it he had found it necessary to refer to the document many times. Sure enough; payment to his door for opening and shutting constituted a mandatory fee. Not a tip.

      “You discover I’m right,” the door said. It sounded smug.

      From the drawer beside the sink Joe Chip got a stainless steel knife; with it he began systematically to unscrew the bolt assembly of his apt’s money-gulping door.

      “I’ll sue you,” the door said as the first screw fell out.

      Joe Chip said, “I’ve never been sued by a door. But I guess I can live through it.

      - Philip K. Dick, Ubik

    • giraffe_lady 19 minutes ago
      > Hard-working founders should be able to cash out

      Why? Operating a successful business should be remunerative on its own, or else it's not successful. Owners who don't want to do it anymore can let it become worker owned. If they don't want it, it can dissolve. What else do you need? The very concept that the end of a successful business is a big payday for its creator is itself the poison here. There is no end just another workday, success is ongoing not final. This is natural and correct.

      • randusername 7 minutes ago
        I think you're right to zoom in on that point.

        My guess is owner-operator selflessness is a key ingredient in a lot of beloved small businesses. I don't know for certain that the winning personality for getting a business off the ground on all the bad days is the same one that raises rates proportionally with their success.

        So it becomes all-or-nothing. It's my friends and neighbors when I'm working, when I sell-out it's purely business. No in-between.

  • WarmWash 11 minutes ago
    Run from investing in PE, run as fast as you can.

    I (and leaders at my PE-owned company) cannot say enough bad things about private equity. How anyone who managed to make money in their life decides PE is a good investment blows my mind.

    We are now on our 5th PE firm in 10 years, and just completed a "PE lifecycle" of buy -> merge -> sell -> part out -> merge.

    None of these PE firms bring anything to the table. Even the hundreds of billions AUM giants. They have zero interest in tangibly improving the company, and lots of interest in cheap window dressings meant to fool other PE firms. Not that they could do much else, because it's mostly business grads with minimal real world exposure, and hunger to be rich above all else.

    The most critical thing to understand is that they pay themselves "advisory and oversight fees" for the incredibly difficult work of increasing sales targets 300%. These fees can eat 10% of our revenue, and is one click above theft. Trust me, they will lay-off 75% of the company before even considering cutting back their personal take. Never mind the fees they take from investors too. They bill both sides.

    Also, if they kill some of the companies they acquire, it's the investors loss. It is not their loss. They still collect all their fees just the same.

    There is a total misalignment between investors and PE firms, where PE firms just want to maximize their looting while investors think they are actually trying to improve the acquired companies. If the invesotrs do see gains, it's mostly because the firm successfully conned another firm into overpaying.

    Run from investing in PE, run as fast as you can. Recently they changed the law to allow regular people to have PE in their retirement. They are running out of useful idiots, and want access to the general public. DO NOT FALL FOR IT

    • matheusmoreira 2 minutes ago
      Looting is a rather apt word. What really breaks me is the fact that these are the people who are making it. Destructive people who extract every last cent of value from everything in sight are winning. Society actively rewards this. Constructive people who are actively trying to add value to the world face many more risks and difficulties.
    • htrp 8 minutes ago
      so basically the principal - agent problem turned up to 11?
  • dd36 1 hour ago
    End consolidation. Go back to pre-1980s antitrust policy. Encourage competition and bust the trusts.
    • jonstewart 19 minutes ago
      Statutory antitrust regulation would be fantastic. Instead of litigation, the regulators, corporations, and shareholders know when a business must split or divest. The firm files a plan, it gets approved, everyone wins except monopolists.
      • smallmancontrov 14 minutes ago
        Progressive business taxes. At a certain income level, natural pressure starts mounting to split.
    • N_Lens 1 hour ago
      Sounds like communism /s
      • graemep 52 minutes ago
        Its called "free market capitalism". I have been in favour of it for decades: https://pietersz.co.uk/2009/11/fix-capitalism

        I am somewhat more inclined to some socialist policies now though.

        • mghackerlady 43 minutes ago
          free market capitalism will always end like this though. the end goal of capitalism is the consolidation of all things into a megacorporation or oligarchy that controls everything, creates nothing, and earns infinite money
          • tavavex 11 minutes ago
            Why is this downvoted? To me, it seems like a self-evident conclusion. Even the supporters of the current system would probably agree with it. When you have a system that encourages endless growth at absolutely all costs, while placing no limits at the amount of power a single entity can hold, what other outcome can there be but the biggest players absorbing everything into themselves and using their influence over people and governments to guarantee their dominance?
        • nekusar 10 minutes ago
          In my experience, most self-proclaimed "capitalists" either lap up the scholastic propaganda that capitalism is the 'bestest' economic system in the world, or are a real capitalist and don't have to give one fuck about what others say.

          And most of these types NEVER read past, say, page 20 of https://www.gutenberg.org/files/38194/38194-h/38194-h.htm , Adam Smiths treatise on capitalism. Here's a few failures that Smith wrote back in his initial treatise in 1776

          Gross inequality was even mentioned there as something to significantly avoid. Book I, Ch. X, Part II; ~p. 50

          Principal-agent problems in joint-stock companies. Managers of other people's money "cannot be expected to watch over it with the same anxious vigilance" as owners, leading to waste and negligence. Book V, Ch. I, Part III; ~p. 312-313

          Mercantilist policy distortions. Protectionism, export bounties, and import restrictions enrich narrow merchant interests while reducing national wealth by intentionally misallocating capital. Book IV, Ch. II-V; ~p. 183-213

          Underprovision of public goods. Markets fail to supply infrastructure (roads, bridges, canals, harbors) and institutions that benefit society broadly but yield no direct profit to private actors. Book V, Ch. I, Part III, Art. I; ~p. 303-305. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-cities-...

          Dehumanizing effects of extreme division of labor. Repetitive specialized labor "renders [the worker] as stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become," impairing civic and moral capacities. Book V, Ch. I, Part III, Art. II; ~p. 324 . Even in the 1800's this got so bad that Karl Marx wrote about this in both of his critique of capitalism AND the communist manifesto.

          Merchant collusion and monopoly power. Smith warns that "people of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices". Book I, Ch. X, Part II; ~p. 54

          Im not communist, and probably not socialist. But its clear as day as to the failures of capitalism. And as a stopped clock is right 2x a day, capitalism does handle some problems better than any previous system. But we can do better. Lots better. But the entrenched power holds on to capitalism as fervent as a religion, and not dispassionate analysis.

      • jagged-chisel 58 minutes ago
        I thought “socialism” was the current bogeyman
        • micromacrofoot 53 minutes ago
          most americans don't know the difference
    • amazingamazing 50 minutes ago
      How will that work - for example Y Combinator classes. They cannot be acquired? What about acquihires? Cant stop that - employees have their own agency.
      • palmotea 33 minutes ago
        > How will that work - for example Y Combinator classes. They cannot be acquired?

        For the record: national economic policy shouldn't revolve around Y Combinator classes and similar startups.

        I'm totally fine if it turns out a sensible antitrust policy completely destroys the acquisition exit pathway for tech startups. I'm not saying one will, but I'm saying that's a cost I'm willing to pay.

        • trollbridge 23 minutes ago
          YC startups could just become mature businesses. Nothing wrong with providing a good service, earning a good profit, and employees maturing into stable careers.
        • nicce 27 minutes ago
          > I'm totally fine if it turns out a sensible antitrust policy completely destroys the acquisition exit pathway for tech startups.

          And it should also prevent the acquihire.

          • spwa4 21 minutes ago
            I think the really important question is HOW this will happen. If you mean for the state to buy them at fair market value, nobody will object to that, not even if it closes the door to private equity.

            But that's not what you're talking about, is it?

            How about doing what America used to do? Provide seed funding for a new fire truck company in trade for condictions. Can we agree to do that? Fund 3 companies to make fire trucks, fast-track whatever certification and approvals they need. Create the companies we need, risking (and in fact expecting to lose) a bunch of the capital used for this.

        • amazingamazing 32 minutes ago
          YComb was just an example, though. Should companies be able to be bought and sold at all? My opinion is yes. Agree or disagree?
          • asolove 29 minutes ago
            The OP explicitly answers this: go back to pre-80s antitrust policy. Companies can be bought and sold but not if it creates concentrations of economic power that allow them to dictate prices to vendors or customers.
            • amazingamazing 27 minutes ago
              This is vague and not actionable. Should Microsoft and Amazon have been able to buy Anthropic and OpenAI 5 years ago?

              People always give these vague guidelines (and even the guidelines in the 80s were) and wonder why they are easily circumvented.

              • hilariously 24 minutes ago
                This is actually how anti-trust works - if you decide a company gets too big you Ma Bell it and break it up, its very actionable, just hard.
                • amazingamazing 22 minutes ago
                  People keep bringing up Bell as if the situation now is not just as bad.
                  • nemomarx 2 minutes ago
                    And they want to do it again and enforce anti trust laws? I don't see any contradiction here. Break up faang and keep a close eye on all these acquisitions the ai companies are doing and why they need to own package management and code editors and etc.
              • esseph 4 minutes ago
                [delayed]
              • miltonlost 24 minutes ago
                How is going back to a policy that used to work "vague and unactionable"? It literally had been actionable.
                • amazingamazing 21 minutes ago
                  It did not work though. Bell and Standard Oil are notable examples. What else?
                  • miltonlost 17 minutes ago
                    They were LITERALLY BROKEN UP due to anti-trust policies. You are a troll. There's nothing left to say. Bye.

                    How are you allowed to continue to post every 2 seconds? dang

                    • amazingamazing 12 minutes ago
                      Bye then. Don’t get so emotional about it.
              • eesmith 18 minutes ago
                Microsoft and Amazon should have been restricted, due to their monopoly power, long before 5 years ago.

                I've read enough of the pre-Borkian (ie, pre-1980s) history of antitrust law to know this was very actionable.

                They were not easily circumvented in that it required decades of funding and activism to nerf the Sherman Antitrust Act and its successors.

              • mschuster91 24 minutes ago
                > Should Microsoft and Amazon have been able to buy Anthropic and OpenAI 5 years ago?

                Antitrust enforcement can be done retroactively as well, if it appears that a large company abuses its financial firepower to undercut competitors or a marketshare gets too dominant.

              • CPLX 20 minutes ago
                There's nothing ambiguous about it at all. We had it as our public policy for generations and then bought-off politicians stopped enforcing it.

                The information is captured the same way as most policy - via statute and precedent, and guidelines for enforcement agencies.

                None of this is confusing, or even hard, except insofar as it's hard to fight against well funded opponents.

              • DoneWithAllThat 15 minutes ago
                It was absolutely actionable and implemented as policy for decades, what are you even talking about? Your phrasing pretends this isn’t exactly how antitrust enforcement worked before the much more recent approach began.
                • amazingamazing 7 minutes ago
                  It really was not. Go look at the success rate of enforcement.
          • nancyminusone 23 minutes ago
            But "corporations are people" and those types of markets have closed since 1865 in the united states.
          • brendoelfrendo 13 minutes ago
            Why do you present this as a binary to agree/disagree with?
            • amazingamazing 11 minutes ago
              Simply because that is the maximally reduced case and it inevitably will result in the same situation.
      • Ekaros 42 minutes ago
        If the acquirer has too big or dominant position already in the specific sector no. They should not be able to sweep the board of all companies doing single thing.
      • toomuchtodo 42 minutes ago
        If the acquirer attempts to acquire a startup (regardless of investor) for anti trust reasons, or there are anti trust concerns, the M&A activity is disallowed by regulators. A recent example is Figma and Adobe.

        https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

      • jgalt212 46 minutes ago
        I think 5-15 person employee businesses do not concern trust busters.
        • amazingamazing 44 minutes ago
          Whats the connection between the number of employees and anti trust? Also, there are plenty of YC companies with far more than 15 employees.
          • estearum 34 minutes ago
            Generally you don't hold a market dominant position in any sector that anti-trust regulators care about at 15 employees?

            Frankly this stuff is impossible to talk about in the abstract. The details of every individual case matters. If you're actually curious (instead of just playing a shell game), you can go look up the types of analysis that FTC does to evaluate market dominance and whether a given transaction will excessively consolidate a market.

  • sega_sai 1 hour ago
    I simply don't understand why leveraged buy-out(LBO) is allowed in the first place. It is like paying for the company with the money from the company you are buying.
    • lumost 57 minutes ago
      It provides liquidity to business owners.

      As a business owner, if you want cash today because you are done with a business. You could go to a bank and get a loan to pay dividends. This is a bad deal for the bank as you have no incentive to operate the business after you cash out the loan. A private equity firm comes in and operates the business on the model that they still keep some of the profits after the loan value.

      The crappy side comes in as a customer, the PE firm can do this to an arbitrary number of firms in the area and raise prices on each/cut services. PE firms can trivially build out monopolies. Many of these monopolies will be invisible as they leave the existing branding etc. in place.

      • graemep 48 minutes ago
        That in itself is reasonable. However governments choose to encourage it with tax systems that mean you pay less tax by increasing debt. This is the main thing that breaks capital structure irrelevance: https://moneyterms.co.uk/capital-structure-irrelevance/

        > As a business owner, if you want cash today because you are done with a business. You could go to a bank and get a loan to pay dividends.

        If you are a business owner you could borrow yourself using the business as security.

    • sokoloff 1 hour ago
      You understand mortgages, though, right?

      Even 3% or 0% down mortgages?

      • cj 59 minutes ago
        LBO's are like buying a rental property where the mortgage is approved based on expected future rental income from the property.

        That's why the parent is saying "It is like paying for the company with the money from the company you are buying.".

        • nyeah 37 minutes ago
          LBOs are much worse than that. It's like buying a rental property where the mortgage is owed by the a shell corporation that owns the property. The shell corporation, not the purchaser, owes the debt.

          It's like taking out a mortgage on a house, but letting the house owe the debt.

        • sokoloff 52 minutes ago
          Exactly. That is largely how commercial lending is underwritten: by ensuring the DSCR (debt service coverage ratio) is over 1.0.
          • nyeah 36 minutes ago
            Sure that is commercial lending.* And the acquirer owes the debt. But that's not how LBOs work. In an LBO the target owes the debt.

            *Coverage of 1:1 is an accident waiting to happen, but otherwise sure.

            • sokoloff 2 minutes ago
              That's not especially different from the typical LLC/SPE holding structure where individual properties in a large real estate portfolio are not held directly, but rather by a single-purpose entity that holds each property. You don't want an issue in a single company/property to be able to take down your entire holding company. If someone will lend you money without cross-collateralization, why wouldn't you prefer that?

              If PE firm A wants to buy company C using an LBO, it could do so by having C borrow money and then A purchase C, or by creating an entity B that borrows money and then purchases C. Whether B or C owns the debt doesn't change anything meaningful, and it's pretty clear that you're allowed to form company B (and really hard to imagine how you'd make that illegal without effects that would be worse than current).

      • adampunk 45 minutes ago
        Yes, those exist in industrialized countries as a result of public policy decisions. We do not have 3 or 0% mortgages because that’s what the market naturally bears or produces: we have it because mortgage debt is backstopped by the state.

        It’s possible to “understand” mortgages by understanding that conditions for stable home markets don’t arise by themselves—we collectively make them possible because the outcome is desired—then wonder WTF because what social function is creating conditions for private equity getting us.

        • sokoloff 36 minutes ago
          In residential real estate, I think stems in large part from a desire to help people who don’t come from money to own personal real estate (which is one of the best ways to go from $0 or negative net worth to positive six figure net worth).

          Not only is that politically attractive, I think it’s more good than bad as public policy.

          Turning back to PE/LBOs:

          Having limited liability entities (companies) also serves good public purposes. Having companies being able to borrow money also does. Having companies being able to own other companies also does. I think that’s the only three ingredients you need for the PE model to operate and I don’t think that the public is helped by barring any of those three things.

    • quickthrowman 1 hour ago
      It is analogous to a mortgage, you put down X% and the house itself secures the loan, along with PMI if your equity is below 20%. The assets of the business secure the loans in the same way a house secures a mortgage.
      • kokken 1 hour ago
        It is not analogous because if you sell your house and the sale money is not enough to cover your mortgage you are still on the hook for what's left of the principal. A leveraged buyout is exclusively on the purchased company's books, so if the company goes to zero the PE parent company is not on the hook for a single penny.
        • DanielHB 1 hour ago
          What I don't understand is how the cost of banks repossessing these companies in case of default don't make the math unviable. Unless the company have a lot of fairly stable semi-liquid assets (like real estate) banks should be charging fairly high interest on these loans which would make most of these business unprofitable.

          Which would increase the rate of defaults (if they are authorized in the first place) and in turn increase interest even further. I guess the PE is always maxxing out the leverage on every deal at _just_ the projected break-even point for loan repayment? But that leaves no room for error or changing market conditions which also increase the rate of defaults and so on.

          • Ekaros 53 minutes ago
            Non-bank entities being in play is likely part of the problem. If you can sell the bad debt to some other entity say a fund that got investment from pension you win. For fund managers these things can look great on paper and that is everything that matters. Even if things do not workout they can on paper extend and pretend or take payment-in-kind. Meaning well you are short on interest payments so you just tack it on the principal.

            And everyone gets their management fees until people start asking their money back...

          • dapperdrake 57 minutes ago
            Does "the bank" know that it is unviable?
        • sokoloff 1 hour ago
          That varies by state. Twelve states are fully non-recourse states (lenders can’t go after borrowers beyond the loan security); in other states they may be able to, but borrowers who default on their mortgage may not be particularly asset-rich targets in the first place.

          If the company wasn’t able to borrow money for itself, a wrapper company could which would still have very closely the same effect as being an asset-poor borrower.

        • TheOtherHobbes 1 hour ago
          Yes, it's using bankruptcy and limited liability to extract value from companies that may well be completely solvent and functional with little/no downside or risk to PE.

          Pure parasitism.

        • 1qaboutecs 59 minutes ago
          Yes, this is the crucial distinction. (I wish that articles criticizing PE were framed in terms of LBOs + bankruptcy-law instead, because that's the root of the policy problem.) Corporations can go bankrupt without risk to the human beings who are owners/investors in the corporation.

          Note that from the lender's perspective, the risk is the same and in a perfect-information universe could be mitigated by charging higher interest. The problem for society is the externality that the business's services get worse.

        • trollbridge 20 minutes ago
          Not necessarily. In non-recourse states like California, the lender is stuck if the asset becomes worth less than the loan.
        • energy123 1 hour ago
          > so if the company goes to zero the PE parent company is not on the hook for a single penny.

          Sounds like a problem for whoever is providing the financing. Not really my concern unless you're saying there's some systemic problem it causes like with mortgage securitization during 2007. The lender will charge a high interest rate if what you're saying is true.

          • brookst 35 minutes ago
            It’s the shareholders of the purchased company that provide the financing, in the form of debt in the company’s books. Then they exit, and the company lays off people to service the debt, and you and I as taxpayers cover unemployment and other social harms.

            It’s literally a way to extract revenue from our broader social institutions by spreading the pain across so many people that individuals don’t complain (or, in some cases, don’t even understand how it harms them).

          • ebiester 31 minutes ago
            It's the concern for the community who pays in higher prices, and the employees in their job stability.

            Has everyone forgotten the social contract? We do not exist as communities to make a small number of people richer. If the trade doesn't work for all involved, we change the rules.

        • Rp8yXmdmr 53 minutes ago
          11 USA states have Non-Recourse mortgages where you also are "not on the hook for a single penny."
  • thecolorblue 3 minutes ago
    PE profits sound like other companies opportunities. Unless there are barriers to entry not covered in this article, I would think other companies could move in, deliver a fire truck faster and at a lower cost, and at least take a portion of the market that is able to switch.
  • akudha 4 minutes ago
    If the waiting time for a fire truck is 4 years, can't fire departments import from abroad?
  • herf 40 minutes ago
    Link to the Musharbash article that spurred the congressional investigation (2025):

    https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/did-a-private-equity-fire...

  • b3lvedere 1 hour ago
    Oh no!

    Who would have guessed that turning social human constructions into businesses that 'have to make profits' could result in such deaths!?

    What on earth could be next?

    Defining margins again and again until these businesses suddenly actually are totally compliant and suddenly there are even more deaths?

    Oh how will we ever solve this strange behaviour!?

    /s^s

    • itake 56 minutes ago
      One thing I don't see is the other side of this story: the sellers.

      I don't get why sellers are selling to PE. Can these services not "IPO"? Why do these companies need to sell?

      When PE takes over medical practices, my understanding is there just isn't enough capital available for a dentist to "cash out". The options are either they find another dentist to buy it, the close the practice, or they sell the private equity...

      • skinfaxi 55 minutes ago
        How is local doctor's office going to IPO? An IPO is just selling to the public instead of a private buyer. Not to mention the amount of paperwork and ongoing reporting requirements of actually IPOing.

        Talking to a single buyer is easier than arranging an IPO and I would imagine the diligence far less onerous.

      • tw04 51 minutes ago
        Out of the gate you need $27.5m in cash flow with $2.2m in profit. I doubt there are many single practice dentists doing that kind of volume.

        You can’t just IPO because you want out of the business. There’s lots of reporting and regulatory requirements to ensure you aren’t screwing investors.

      • lizardking 10 minutes ago
        Going the IPO route is not an option for most of the companies being acquired (vets, plumbers, electricians, construction companies, etc.)
      • pelotron 7 minutes ago
        I think it's totally appropriate to hold it against them if they knowingly sell out to scumbags. Society used to look down on selling out. We wrote songs about it. But in 2026 it is glorified.
      • balderdash 21 minutes ago
        why would you think a public traded company behaves any better than a privately owned one?
      • mschuster91 20 minutes ago
        > I don't get why sellers are selling to PE. Can these services not "IPO"? Why do these companies need to sell?

        Shifting private ownership to a publicly traded company is an awful lot of paperwork (especially for accounting) and upfront costs, you need to time it properly, you need to find banks willing to cooperate.

        In contrast, selling a private company to a PE is a pretty much straightforward transaction.

    • basisword 34 minutes ago
      You don't understand! It's because it's not a truly free market. If it was truly free of regulation and government oversight it would be incredible.
    • Rekindle8090 54 minutes ago
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  • phkahler 21 minutes ago
    >> a structure where 50 to 90 percent of the purchase price is financed by debt, and that debt is loaded onto the balance sheet of the acquired company, not the firm making the acquisition.

    This just seems wrong. The buyer takes out a loan, how does that become the responsibility of the company they purchased? I thought loans used to buy a business treated the business as collateral, like a home mortgage. What lender would participate in this? and why?

  • c54 11 minutes ago
    Good article and discussion but I couldn’t find anything about the author? There’s no bylines or about page anywhere on the site.

    Does anyone know about the source?

  • elevation 20 minutes ago
    Not all PE problems are existential; they will be outcompeted.

    What keeps a newly graduated Veterinarian from opening her own clinic and undercutting the PE competition? With no massive loans on her books, she can profitably offer lower prices than PE can. She may even drive the local PE clinic out of business.

    • rocketpastsix 18 minutes ago
      who are these grads graduating without massive loans hanging over their heads?
    • ambicapter 18 minutes ago
      "Lower your prices to compete with massive sources of capital" Great idea.
    • brendoelfrendo 15 minutes ago
      > With no massive loans on her books,

      Except every newly-graduated veterinarian does have a massive loan on their books, in the form of student loans. And even if she didn't, where does the startup capital for her clinic come from? Whether in human or animal medicine, starting your own practice--especially as a new grad--is usually the course of action with the highest-risk-to-lowest-pay ratio.

    • DoneWithAllThat 18 minutes ago
      Yet there is no evidence of this happening in any industry or area where PE has become the dominant player. Why not? What you’re saying is nice economic theory but it’s clearly not happening.
  • jjmerle 32 minutes ago
    Interesting seeing a quote from Sen. Josh Hawley that I agree with...

    Quote (from article) “This didn’t just happen to you accidentally. This is a business decision, isn’t it? You keep these backlogs like this. […] Another word for this would be a heist. This sounds to me like private equity came in; bought up all of these small companies; combined them; shut down their production; rolled up a huge backlog; massive profits; stiffed these guys; and now you’re making out like bandits.”

  • fredley 1 hour ago
    The people behind these funds are playing Monopoly IRL, and this in particular makes me very angry.

    The UK high street has been a notable victim. Gradually, over the past couple of decades, company after company has been snapped up by PE. Not just shops, but restaurants too. Suddenly you realise that the 5 or 6 high street chains that were competing are now owned by the same fund. Quality collapses, prices rise, not just at one chain but everywhere. People stop going, the chain collapses, another empty unit, the fund moves on. It's easy to point at Amazon and internet shopping as having degraded the British high street, but there are several other factors, and PE is a big one.

    • glitchc 18 minutes ago
      You're only thinking from a consumer perspective. When it comes time to sell a business, original owner wants to retire or what not, most small businesses have a hard time finding a buyer. This forces the owner to continue working beyond their time or face destitution. Having a market where PE can snap up a small business is a god-send for these owners. It meets a market need.
    • TheOtherHobbes 59 minutes ago
      The combination of PE extraction and "property values = rent we want to change, even if the property is empty" has been economically catastrophic.

      PE is often just legalised larceny.

    • c16 33 minutes ago
      As a consumer, there are many non PE owned restaurants and pubs you can frequent. While you might not be able to change the game, you can absolutely vote with your wallet. The small guys will thank you.

      Same for Amazon vs going direct to the manufacturers, which is more often than not, China.

      • mschuster91 13 minutes ago
        > Same for Amazon vs going direct to the manufacturers, which is more often than not, China.

        That comes with a bunch of problems. Taxes, import duties and import refusals are the biggest one. With Amazon, at least as long as it's sold or fulfilled by Amazon, no matter what, you are going to get the product in a reasonable time frame (1-3 days IME).

        Shipping... depends. If you're in bad luck, the seller doesn't ship Fedex or DHL, but Yanwen or another one of the usual bunch of "aggregators" that bundle weeks worth of shipment to forward it to the US or Europe and unbundle the shipments there.

        Assuming your product shows up at your doorstep, legally, you are now the importer and fully responsible for anything related to that specific product - say, an electrical appliance that sets your house on fire. You can't hold anyone accountable but yourself.

        And finally, if there's defects, you only have to deal with Amazon. Free shipment back, done. With anything straight out of China, you are now responsible for shipments.

  • bonsai_spool 1 hour ago
    Setting aside the obviously LLM-generated headings (if not text), this is a serious problem. PE has purchased fire inspection companies in my city such that every company that needs these must contract with the same PE overlord no matter which of the previous 15 companies they used to work with.

    The new PE overlord will do things like send you a bill for inspection after you inquire about their pricing ("Well, our guy was in the area so he took a look!") while billing you for gas from their home location.

    This is disgusting on so many levels—no competition here at all, just oppression by those with a lot of money.

  • reenorap 17 minutes ago
    ZIRP created a level of absurd wealth such that the ultra wealthy can buy large swathes of things that they never could before, and they’re doing it. And societal norms and laws can’t keep up with it to protect us from them.

    Now they are buying fire stations, dentist offices, ski resorts, whatever the fuck they can think of and then raise the prices. Something needs to be done to stop this.

  • philipwhiuk 42 minutes ago
    Leveraged buyout should be illegal.
    • elevation 30 minutes ago
      How would you phrase this though? Plenty of PE firms have the funds to buy your local veterinary clinic or auto body shop with cash; the leverage comes later, when they direct the business that they own to get a loan. How can you make it illegal for the business to get a loan?
      • yread 8 minutes ago
        > How can you make it illegal for the business to get a loan?

        That would also be legal. But if you take the assets out of the daughter company you would go to prison for https://web.archive.org/web/20141030194421/http://www.sfo.go...

        • elevation 1 minute ago
          The daughter company would presumable be allowed to purchase goods and services. What prevents those goods and services from being supplied (at a hefty markup) by another company under PE control?
    • hylaride 26 minutes ago
      I think they should be perfectly legal, but there probably shouldn't be tax advantages for it (carried interest rule, etc).
  • lenerdenator 39 minutes ago
    Again, we have broken higher risk, higher reward.

    If you just keep gutting companies with leveraged buyouts, you're not taking on any real risk.

    If you're buying up firms that deliver "essential services", you're likely engaging a monopoly. Again, low risk, high reward. A direct violation of the rules of how investments should work. Regulate the monopoly and this goes away.

    • airstrike 25 minutes ago
      Do you think losing the equity portion of the investment means no risk? It's not fully debt financed.

      And that debt financing bears an interest proportional to the riskiness of the asset's cashflows.

      There are lots to hate about LBOs but they aren't entirely devoid of value

  • bko 1 hour ago
    The premise is that PE firms invest in companies, load them up with debt, and maximize profit. And it's especially nefarious in industries where people have "no choice but to pay"

    > The result is a backlog that reads like a financial opportunity in earnings calls and a crisis in every fire station in the country. As of 2025, REV Group’s backlog stands at $4.5 billion. Wait times for a custom fire truck run to four years. Prices have doubled in a decade: a pumper truck now costs around $1 million; a ladder truck runs over $2 million. Profit margins in the industry have tripled — from the historic 4-to-5 percent range to over 13 percent.

    The article goes on to talk about how a backlog is actually genius. Here's a quote from a senator:

    > “This didn’t just happen to you accidentally. This is a business decision, isn’t it? You keep these backlogs like this. […] Another word for this would be a heist. This sounds to me like private equity came in; bought up all of these small companies; combined them; shut down their production; rolled up a huge backlog; massive profits; stiffed these guys; and now you’re making out like bandits.”

    So you make money by ... not delivering? I'm missing something.

    > The fire truck industry is the most publicly documented case, but the underlying playbook — acquire, consolidate, reduce supply, extract margin — appears across essential sectors with alarming consistency.

    Sure, anyone can reduce supply and increase prices if they're a large enough supplier. But companies don't produce up to the point where marginal price is equal to marginal cost out of the goodness of their heart. It's the profit maximizing level. This is economics 101. The article doesn't even try to explain beyond hand waving. No one cares about profit margin, they care about maximizing profit, and you don't do that by creating backlogs. So something is off here and the author is either too incompetent to ask basic questions or just wants to write another PE bad article

    • ses1984 59 minutes ago
      Let’s compare two hypothetical companies. They are equal in every way except one has a $4.5b backlog and one has a $0 backlog. Which company would you rather own?
      • brainwad 49 minutes ago
        The way to get to a backlog is by not having made sales you could have made in prior years. So they shouldn't be equal in every way - the one with $0 backlog should have more cash, and that is probably preferable unless your business has diseconomies of scale.
      • bko 48 minutes ago
        Not sure. On one hand, a huge backlog means they're not meeting their demand. Operations may not be in order. Everything else is the same so sales and everything else is equal so I guess money is just deferred? Also huge backlog encourages competition and if you can't deliver, you're going to lose.

        But such a big backlog suggests that they're underpricing. So it may be as simple as increasing price and ramping up your production, even though it would likely mean higher marginal costs.

        Overall no one wants a backlog. It's not good business

        • ses1984 10 minutes ago
          Have you ever heard the phrase ceteris paribus? It means all other things being equal. It's a phrase economists use to discuss things in the ideal, sort of like, "imagine a spherical cow in a vacuum" but for economics.

          The point of the exercise is not to suppose what other things could have been different to allow these two hypothetical companies to end up in the described state. The point is to actually freeze everything else, do not allow it to vary, and look at the backlog in isolation. Obviously such a situation would never actually arise. Even if things were trending in that direction, the two companies would very quickly diverge from ceteris paribus.

          Obviously having a backlog is better than no backlog because unless you make a new sale tomorrow, you have a problem. You will have idle capital and labor resources. Which company do you think has easier access to credit?

          Private equity is very much interested in the margins. That is one of the key differences between private and public companies. Public companies are under pressure to grow at all costs. PE would probably be satisfied to make half the profit and double the margin, especially if it also happens to position the company for a more favorable sale. Would you rather buy a business that's at 5 or 10% margin?

          The depth of the backlog also happens to be a pretty decent proxy for how much competition there is the market. A deep backlog means there isn't another firm around to fill that demand. That makes your company look better.

          Let's go a little left/up the funnel. Imagine two startups, all things equal, their sales funnel goes wide > qualified > sale. They consistently convert 5% of qualified leads into sales. Do you want to be the company that has zero qualified leads, or $4.5b of qualified leads?

        • inetknght 44 minutes ago
          Okay, now same question except one small change.

          There's only one company: the one with the backlog. The other company either went bankrupt or was bought out and consolidated into the first company.

    • dapperdrake 59 minutes ago
      Learn how businesses are priced.

      The buyer (who PE sells to) is "thinking about" collecting on the backlog.

      Obviously, the backlog is "fake".

      EDIT: The backlog is fake or worthless in the sense, that dollars worth of reputation (a.k.a. Brand) were given away to get pennies worth of backlog. Customer satisfaction is real, even in a business valuation sense.

    • wffurr 51 minutes ago
      There's no competition left to drive the marginal profit back down to a reasonable level.
  • amazingamazing 1 hour ago
    Seems strange to me:

    1. No one forced these people to sell. Is the idea that you can’t sell to an entity with more money? If you block that good luck with the world economy.

    2. If above is ok is the idea that the new owner is inherently worse because they have more money, whereas as the smaller would be OK then where are the new entrants?

    3. Going to the article it is clear enough. These industries just are not lucrative to begin with. PE buys them and raises prices, but this only works because people complain instead of starting rival business.

    4. Somehow leaving money on the table in the form of a backlog is bad? Why don’t others start a business and take those orders? Why don't they? Not profitable or worth the hassle.

    Well there you go.

    Separately, American manufacturing just seems very uncompetitive.

    • goda90 34 minutes ago
      People aren't starting competitor businesses because the hassle has become astronomically expensive, also largely due to rent seekers[0]. You need a space, but real estate is absurdly inflated. You need trained employees, but education is absurdly inflated and also poorer quality for the baseline. You need to pay a living wage and give healthcare benefits to attract labor, but cost of living and healthcare are skyrocketing.

      Ultimately the influence of rent seekers has grown and the category of people who can take risks by starting a business was the first to collapse, leaving only the wealthy who don't care and the people who can't risk their own survival.

      [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

    • hnthrow0287345 26 minutes ago
      PE has a bad reputation, maybe for LBOs, maybe for buying up doctors' offices and retirement homes, and hospitals and making them objectively worse in terms of patient care.

      My family doctor underwent that along with several of her local peers and got out from under it and started her own practice. I'm obviously not her only patient, so yes, heightening stress on caregivers by demanding more work to drive profits higher is justifiable of a bad reputation.

      Leaving things like medical care, food, water, shelter at the mercy of for-profit dynamics leaves the possibility open that those services stop being provided because it is unprofitable at the expense of the population.

      America is deciding it likes profit over its population.

    • consp 50 minutes ago
      > but this only works because people complain instead of starting rival business.

      This reads like fiction. When they corner the market it's of course trivial to just jump in and take that share. No way they will try to be disruptive to you or sue you to hell and back and of course the bank will loan you the pile of money to start a new company since there is no giant corporation to compete with who can squeeze you out in an instance.

      • amazingamazing 46 minutes ago
        Your comment is the one that seems like fiction. You are saying PE is unbeatable? Per the article there is a backlog of orders. What is stopping one of the previous owners from creating another company and taking them?

        Sue for what exactly? Of course they will be disruptive, that is what competing means.

        • AndrewKemendo 38 minutes ago
          > What is stopping one of the previous owners from creating another company and taking them?

          You will not find any investors.

          The investors that want to invest in fire trucks already invested in the PE fund and will give them money over any new start

          That’s the point

          There’s no money elsewhere.

          • amazingamazing 34 minutes ago
            How did the original businesses start to begin with? Also where is this information coming from? It isn't in the article.
            • AndrewKemendo 4 minutes ago
              Usually from a loan or they bought someone out before the PE consolidation in that market really ramped up.

              This is the insidious part: small markets that grow organically over about 10-20 years are specifically what PE investors look for because they are cash heavy but don’t have desire to expand.

              So the owner gets 3M cash out for property worth 4M. PE bundles similar businesses (boba tea shops are a popular one) and then uses the net cash to get a loan to expand.

              They expand, cut corners then cash out on the net profit and then sell the skeleton in the pink sheets or go bankrupt.

              I’ve had to deal with investors and finance for almost 15 years now. My company was bought by a PE backed company and I knew fund owners

              this is how the economy works

        • DangitBobby 42 minutes ago
          > What is stopping one of the previous owners from creating another company and taking them?

          ... they sold the original business to retire??

          • amazingamazing 38 minutes ago
            > ... they sold the original business to retire??

            Conjecture unsupported by article

            • DangitBobby 20 minutes ago
              Suggesting that the original seller could swoop back into the market is also conjecture unsupported by the article.
    • DangitBobby 43 minutes ago
      If you own a business and wish to retire, your options are pretty much to sell, pass it on to someone, or dismantle it. I don't know how this is even a question really. Where in the article or the comment section is anyone saying they shouldn't be selling?
      • a4isms 29 minutes ago
        Two connected anecdotes:

        1. In the 90s, I had a struggling one-man Mac ISV, and would do gig programming on the side. I did a lot of work for boutique investment banks, and also for a "consulting" firm that did about 75% of their business with the finance industry. The owner of that firm praised me, but didn't like that if my business took off, he'd lose me.

        "What would it take to get your commitment to this firm?"

        50%

        "Where will you get the money to buy half my company?"

        A loan from the firm?

        When the dust cleared, the business loaned me the money to buy in, and I paid it back with 50% of my profit sharing payouts. This is not some weird financial alchemy, a lot of partnerships are run this way.

        ———

        2. My Duathlon racing buddy was a mold-maker, very specialized and good at his trade. He worked for an elderly entrepreneur who had built his mold business up over decades. Said entrepreneur sent his own kids to university to become "professionals."

        What to do about succession when he was ready to retire? My buddy literally photocopied my own arrangement, bought 50% so the business would have a successor it could count on, and bought the remainder when the founder retired. He is now a comfortably wealthy automotive sector entrepreneur.

        ———

        The huge LBOs in the news always seem like space-age deals, but little LBOs for succession purposes are remarkably common.

      • amazingamazing 38 minutes ago
        Your comment is entirely conjecture. Even if we assume it is correct, no young person is creating similar businesses? If so that’s the root cause, not PE, since the alternatives would be all of these businesses shut down anywhere per your reasoning, backlog increase and the remaining businesses increase prices anyway.
        • DangitBobby 18 minutes ago
          This is a comment section. Much of it is conjecture. You are making (implicit) conjectures that there are no systemic causes of these sales to PE so you can place blame on the sellers instead of the looters and pillagers themselves.
  • andai 47 minutes ago
    Who controls the spice...
  • Brushfire 1 hour ago
    Why is there so much attention paid to the buyer (private equity) and no attention paid to the folks who sold the businesses to them?
    • magicalist 1 hour ago
      > no attention paid to the folks who sold the businesses to them?

      Why would the retiring dentist selling their practice be a trust or collusion problem?

      • AndrewKemendo 44 minutes ago
        Because their customers, who they built a trusting relationship with, get hosed when the owner wants to cash out.

        That’s the whole math of it. That cash out comes from the future business increasing profit, which is over the longest term cutting service quality.

        Start small biz > be successful > want to retire > find someone to buy biz

        There’s a lot of pathways with a giant c corp, almost none for the local successful small biz.

        I had a acquaintance sell three local trash companies to LRS which is exactly what happened.

    • skinfaxi 1 hour ago
      What would that attention look like? "Long-time pillar of the community local pediatrician retires and sells their practice"?

      How would you know this attention is getting paid or not unless you are consuming local news from the places this is happening?

    • tech_ken 16 minutes ago
      Because the buyer is the one monopolizing industries and stripping them for parts
    • wffurr 50 minutes ago
      Run a small business for 20 years, work yourself to the bone, and then contemplate a big check from a buyout offer.
    • kokken 1 hour ago
      Because a sale for cash is a basic legal contract that predates modern society by millenia, whereas a LBO that PE uses to purchase companies is a weak spot in American Capitalism created at the intersection of:

      1.Shareholder primacy. Under Delaware corporate law (which governs most large U.S. public companies), once a board decides to sell, directors have a fiduciary duty to maximize the price shareholders receive. A premium cash offer from a PE firm is hard to refuse without legal exposure.

      2.Interest deductibility. The tax code lets companies deduct interest payments but not dividends, which makes debt-heavy capital structures more tax-efficient. LBOs exploit a feature of tax law that exists for many reasons unrelated to private equity.

      3.Freedom of contract and limited liability. Sponsors can put a thin equity check into a holding company, have that company borrow on the target's assets, and walk away if it fails, because limited liability is the foundation of corporate law generally.

  • basisword 35 minutes ago
    It's the same around the world. 99% of the time if something has gone to shit, it's because it was bought by private equity and milked for every last penny.
  • Michelangelo11 1 hour ago
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