The curious case of the disappearing Polish S

(aresluna.org)

71 points | by colinprince 2 hours ago

8 comments

  • quibono 1 hour ago
    I believe the fact that Polish uses the Latin alphabet (with a small Slavic twist to express the extra sounds) meant it was much easier for Poland to align itself westward. I think the average Pole is much closer culturally to the Western neighbours than to a Ukrainian or Russian (maybe apart from cuisine).
    • keiferski 33 minutes ago
      The adoption of the Latin alphabet was itself a move to align itself westward, with kingdoms in the Latin world, not the Byzantine one, and tied to adopting Catholicism rather than Orthodoxy.
    • q3k 1 hour ago
      Polish cuisine is very similar to German cuisine.

      (This comment will make a lot of Polish people very upset.)

      • grvbck 55 minutes ago
        Sure, a common use of bread, potatoes, cabbage/other vegetables, hearty meat dishes etc but the Polish kitchen is closer to Ukrainian/Russian in technique/ingredients.

        Barszcz, pierogi, fermented everything, pickles, sour rye, and many dishes built around wheat/rye, mushrooms, dairy, and Eastern-style fillings are much more like Ukrainian/Belarusian/Russian food.

        The biggest German influences are probably the sausages and the beer culture.

      • CurtHagenlocher 53 minutes ago
        How reasonably can German cuisine be described as a single unified thing? My mother was from East Prussia and my father from Swabia and their "home" cuisines were pretty dissimilar -- if for no other reason than climate.
      • tau255 44 minutes ago
        Due to Partitions of Poland a lot of of territory was under Prussian influence for over a century - that had to have some culinary effect (other than forced germanization).
      • ck45 1 hour ago
        Lots of common main ingredients like potatoes, beets, cabbage, and sausages. It could also have a different reason, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_eastern_territories_of_...
    • gedy 59 minutes ago
      Being Catholic helps too
  • paweladamczuk 39 minutes ago
    It's just like the new Copilot 365. Every time I try to type "Ć", Copilot pops up. I have to close the app constantly.
    • Random09 7 minutes ago
      Every little thing like that creates a new Linux user. After switching I've never looked back.

      Posted from SteamOS.

    • TheRealPomax 2 minutes ago
      And every time you press it, an entire VM gets spun up, fully provisioned, and then set to LLM processing mode even though all you'll be doing is immediately closing the app again.

      Thanks Microsoft, stellar!

    • StefanBatory 33 minutes ago
      Best part is that it installs itself automatically, without prompting me for that.

      Thank you Microsoft; nice to see your QA works well.

  • notathrowaway51 26 minutes ago
    Fun fact: when treated with unicode Normalization Form Canonical Decomposition, 8 out of 9 polish letters (ż,ó,ć,ę,ś,ą,ź,ń) break down into base letter + combining diacritical mark, but ł stays intact. That means you can't use sqlite's unicode61 remove_diacritics tokenizer to normalize polish text for FTS.
  • TRiG_Ireland 1 hour ago
    The linguistic, historical, and cultural information is so fascinating, and really well explained.
  • nashashmi 57 minutes ago
    This was a fun read. Here is the tl;dr version:

    > Instead of blindly and greedily blocking Ctrl S, we could block Ctrl S only if Alt key was not pressed.

    Ctrl alt s was the keyboard shortcut for the polish S. Ctrl s was blocked to improve saving. And this also blocked ctrl alt s too.

    • TheRealPomax 0 minutes ago
      No, alt-s was the shortcut, then on Windows it became right-alt-s, which windows then secretly turned into ctrl-alt-s.

      If you're going to tl;dr, at least get the most important detail right =P

  • atombender 47 minutes ago
    (2015)
  • smitty1e 1 hour ago
    As I am fond of saying: "The good news about Open Source is that you've got the source code; the bad news about Open Source is that _you've_ got the source code."

    That is, you may well get sucked down a rabbit hole in order to accomplish a simple task.

  • 0bytes 1 hour ago
    “Polish uses the English/Latin alphabet” - was it developed back when the US and Italy were allies in ancient Roman times?
    • gdwatson 1 hour ago
      I stumbled over that too, but it makes sense when you finish the article. The ancient Romans didn’t build a lot of keyboards.
    • milkshakeyeah 56 minutes ago
      What’s hard to understand here?