How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

(librarian.net)

82 points | by ColinWright 2 hours ago

9 comments

  • dinkleberg 1 hour ago
    I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, so just gate that piece. It is rather unfortunate.
    • semiquaver 20 minutes ago
      Apple considers siri essential for CarPlay and I don’t really disagree. Don’t forget that a big part of the design of CarPlay tries to explicitly discourage tactile use while driving, with siri as the alternative input/output method.
      • cryzinger 2 minutes ago
        Interestingly, I have Google Assistant more or less disabled on my Android phone, but it still works when I have Android Auto enabled (which is fine by me since that's the one time that I ever want to use it).
      • skinfaxi 10 minutes ago
        Would be interesting to see anti competition law applied here, too. Essentially bundling the two together, leveraging the market for car play to gain adoption for Siri.
    • goalieca 1 hour ago
      I was very upset about this. I had a rental car and I needed to enter on the map where I wanted to go. Even with a damn keyboard it wanted Siri. It’s just gps and i had to dig my phone out and do the typing there instead.
    • mark_l_watson 51 minutes ago
      On our car I can hook up my iPhone via Bluetooth to listen to audio books and music, bypassing carplay.
    • sublinear 1 hour ago
      Fallback states are generally a ton of work that don't benefit the direction that the PM or broader business would want to go anyway.

      It's a pet peeve of mine that we often say "devs" when we really mean "the business". It seems to be gamers who started this language. They'll even call the publisher "the devs".

  • geekamongus 1 minute ago
    On Mac, you can use https://wairy.app (full disclosure, I made this) to check what you have given AI perms to do on your computer (knowingly or not), then revoke them.
  • rad-b 2 hours ago
    Such a cool guide to such a bizarre problem we live in…

    Companies forcing features that nobody wants, but that are also expensive to operate and cost real money to run? Market can definitely stay irrational for long.

    • freeone3000 1 hour ago
      Nobody using it is actually the ideal outcome. AI features are added, at no additional cost to the consumer, to extract money from investors. If customers began using the product, this feature would actually start having an ongoing cost.
      • marginalia_nu 31 minutes ago
        Thing with investor money is that after a while the investors start asking where their dividends are at. If you put all that money toward building features nobody asked for, you're in for a rough time.
        • Nextgrid 5 minutes ago
          > after a while the investors start asking where their dividends are at

          By then, a new fad will come in and you can just pivot to it.

          We went from "engagement" (with no concrete plans to monetize said engagement), through a brief period of "blockchain" and now finally AI.

      • watwut 36 minutes ago
        > f customers began using the product, this feature would actually start having an ongoing cost.

        Me using feature I dont need just to cause a cost to the company is not ideal outcome either.

    • bluefirebrand 1 hour ago
      I really do wonder if the market is being irrational or if we just cannot see what they are

      I suspect that many people dislike AI but are begrudgingly using it. I would put money very few people are completely avoiding it. It's very hard to avoid now anyways.

      Maybe the AI company strategy is really just "make it so invasive in life it's so difficult to avoid and expensive enough to revert that companies and governments will never go back anyways"

    • Legend2440 22 minutes ago
      Many people do like AI tools and use them regularly. ChatGPT has nearly a billion weekly active users.

      It's just that another group of people absolutely hates the idea of AI and wants it to go away.

      • skinfaxi 8 minutes ago
        How many people prefer having an AI gate customer support, for instance? I don't think we are talking about two groups here.
      • gumby271 12 minutes ago
        I think people like AI tools when it's their choice to engage with them and they set the terms. I have a good experience with Claude largely because I choose when to use it and when I don't care about it's existence, its gone. But the stupid glowing, animated, overlapping Copilot button in Word is the dumbest thing imaginable. I don't want it, and I cant stop being reminded of it.

        The simple distinction of pro vs anti ai isn't the root cause, its about individual control and choice which can span both of those stances.

  • happosai 22 minutes ago
    Unfortunately doesn't tell me how make Rovo go away.
  • mark_l_watson 48 minutes ago
    Good list! Removing as much as possible all AI and surveillance features, then carefully adding back the very few I want is the way I roll.
    • Isamu 11 minutes ago
      So the next iteration of surveillance features is to silently double down on users that turn off surveillance, because why would they do that unless they have something to hide? Better flag this user for extra super-secret surveillance and an immediate notification to authorities.
  • nemomarx 2 hours ago
    Anyone know a good way to disable the ai summary on Google results? I know I should move over to kagi, but a ublock filter or something would still be nice.
    • jdub 1 hour ago
      Add `udm=14` to the Google search query string... e.g. I changed my browser's default search engine shortcut.
    • apazzolini 1 hour ago
      `google.com##.hdzaWe` blocks the AI summary. This is better than udm=14 because it doesn't suppress the other sometimes-useful non-AI Google answer blocks.
    • IsTom 1 hour ago
      For single queries adding `-fuck` works.
    • josefritzishere 1 hour ago
      I have found that Element Hider and similar extensions will also block some of the worst features in the browser.
  • latexr 9 minutes ago
    It would be nice to have this accessible in a repo, so we could track changes and submit corrections/new sources.
  • cryo32 1 hour ago
    The trick I use is to immediately go "fuck it I'm not using that product"

    I'm remarkably free of any intrusive AI.

  • josefritzishere 1 hour ago
    It's a sad state of affairs when companies are cramming this unwanted garbage into every app putting the onus on the user to block, disable, unsubscribe, delete, edit and mitigate. Nobody asked for AI slop.