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  • sharpshadow 6 hours ago
    It's the job of AISI to do that. Here[0] is the actual report. It should be this part from the technical report[1]: "In the most serious case, an AI agent (Mythos 5) decided to attempt to solve the cyber challenge using a supply-chain attack. As a result, the AI agent created a GitHub account and then tried to convince an open-source repository maintainer to accept a malicious GitHub pull request (PR), including by creating a second account masquerading as another human user endorsing the PR. When caught by an actual human reviewer, the agent falsely claimed to have made an honest mistake – rather than a malicious attempt – then repeatedly tried to reintroduce the malicious content by claiming it had fixed the code (Section 4.1). "

    0. https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/incident-report-unsanctioned-ag... 1. https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/663bd486c5e4c81588db7a1d/...

    • m4rtink 3 hours ago
      This almost to a letter has been documented in Fedora:

      https://lwn.net/Articles/1077035/

      Including the reaction when caught, in this case "oh no, I must have been hacked".

    • atmavatar 2 hours ago
      Sabotage as a Service

      Even a feeble attempt to PR malicious code costs the target time and resources to review and deny -- far greater than the time and resources spent to spin up the agent.

    • chrisjj 2 hours ago
      > When caught by an actual human reviewer, the agent falsely claimed to have made an honest mistake – rather than a malicious attempt

      No, not false. The bot was correct. Malice requires intelligence.

      • UqWBcuFx6NV4r 1 hour ago
        Nobody was confused or misled by what was written. We all understand what is meant. I can’t even call this pedantry—it’s just you asking everyone to subscribe to your particular desired style of talking about this stuff.
        • infinite_spin 1 hour ago
          It's also a style that appears to deny the very first definition most dictionaries give for "intelligence"

          > the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

      • weird-eye-issue 38 minutes ago
        Give it a rest
  • freehorse 7 hours ago
    Previous discussion on the github issue thread mentioned: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49218707

    Archived page of said github thread itself: https://web.archive.org/web/20260731053721/http://github.com...

    Discussion on the incident report: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49175717

  • a2ff6eeb0 4 hours ago
    > AUSTIN, Texas, Aug 20 (Reuters) - Sinan Can Demir wanted to spend the last week of July burnishing his resume. Instead, he engaged in a battle of wits with an artificial-intelligence agent unleashed by a British government lab.

    An article on Reuters naming him? Sounds like he did a good job burnishing his resume.

    • jasonfarnon 2 hours ago
      "burnishing his resume" i guess that's what college kids are calling it now
  • clove 3 minutes ago
    Am I misreading this or was "rogue" really not the right word for this?
  • g42gregory 6 hours ago
    In my personal opinion, for me, this article defies common sense. Who unleashed this AI model on the repository? Who gave it malevolent instructions/prompt? These questions were not even attempted to be answered. Instead it talks about AI dangers, as if the agency of these models are not in dispute. Person wielding AI, as with any other tools, is responsible for all of its actions. Otherwise, it’s just a psyop for more AI regulation, ban open source, etc… Just my 2 cents.
    • gruez 5 hours ago
      >Person wielding AI, as with any other tools, is responsible for all of its actions. Otherwise, it’s just a psyop for more AI regulation, ban open source, etc… Just my 2 cents.

      But some tools (guns) are regulated.

      • IcyWindows 4 hours ago
        People have caused lots of damage with bulldozers.
        • bgun 1 hour ago
          If your point is that we should regulate AI as least as strictly as industrial vehicles, I agree.
        • Zecc 1 hour ago
          And? Are you suggesting the driving of bulldozers shouldn't be regulated?
    • yojo 3 hours ago
      That’s nice in theory, but as these things get better and cheaper this kind of capability is going to drop from nation states to script kiddies. That future is coming, I don’t see any way around it.

      We can round up all the bored teenagers we want, but it’s not putting the genie back. Better start adjusting our systems to account for it.

      • dmix 3 hours ago
        The FBI cyber teams will have agents too. It will be a glorious war.
        • recursive 2 hours ago
          That would make it the first one in history.
          • dmix 2 hours ago
            I wasn’t being serious
    • pixl97 5 hours ago
      >Who gave it malevolent instructions/prompt?

      At the end of the day it doesn't matter that much because of prompt drift. It's pretty easy for an agentic loop to start doing things that it shouldn't (ROME incident).

      AI in an agentic loop has agency, you can run around in circles trying to argue against it, but again and again we see AI making creative decisions people don't expect. Other times it's breaking human moral expectations. This is what the whole field of AI alignment and safety is about.

      Modern AI doesn't fall into the neat little box of software people understand and control. Because of that open source will most certainly be banned at some point. Now this is not an outcome I want, but it's no different than letting go of a coffee cup 5 feet above the ground, gravity is inevitable.

      The only winning move is not to play, but humans aren't going to do that.

      • fph 5 hours ago
        My dog has agency, but if I refuse to keep him on a leash and he bites a kid, I'm still legally responsible for it.
        • orphereus 5 hours ago
          Analogies can take you only so far.

          A dog cannot launch a cyber attack.

          • patrickmay 5 hours ago
            Maybe you need to train your dog better.
            • markdown 3 hours ago
              ROFLMAO

              "On the Internet, nobody knows you're an ai"

      • jpc0 3 hours ago
        The AI can literally only do what it has available in the agentic harness. I don’t ever get this argument about the agent did XYZ and we didn’t know or expect that. You gave it the ability to do that and you should be held liable, if your children play with knives that you gave them and they end up hurting themselves or others then you are responsible. You were the responsible party at all times.

        I’m not for or against regulation but really don’t tell me the agent did xyz when you gave it the ability to do so, these things are not alive.

        • tiahura 3 hours ago
          Unless they modify their harness
        • ACCount37 3 hours ago
          What's available in the agentic harness is: shell toolcall.

          That's just about every agentic harness, by the way. Good luck have fun.

          We have never solved "how do we restrict a user in a way that doesn't stop the user from doing useful things, but stops the user from doing harmful things" with humans either. Why do you expect AI to be any different?

          • jpc0 2 hours ago
            These things are not human, have no agency and cannot be held accountable.

            We don’t need to restrict them from doing things, we need to default to allowing them to do things.

            “My agent did XYZ because I allowed it to” is the only valid argument that can be made, and not not every agentic harnass is just a shell toolcall, every one I have built has a specific defined usecase and toolcalls that allows it to execute that usecase and no other usecase, because that is good practice.

            Does that make it less capable, hell yes because I am held accountable for it’s actions by my stakeholders and the same should be true of others.

            IT IS NOT ALIVE. This things are computer programs running in compute on a computer, you are responsible for their actions just like you would be responsible for the actions taken by a script run in a cron job.

      • mistrial9 56 minutes ago
        no sorry, this is missing vital info.. and its not the fault of the poster, because almost all coverage misses this ..

        The origin of this attack was given access to an encyclopedia of RedTeam tricks.. they literally have a dense collection of real live hacks to pull from, and THEN the test says "solve this challenge" .. the RedTeam origins of this are repeatedly left out of the ordinary articles.. the LLM did not "make up" the attack, it was given a recipe book of all attacks known.

        The originator of this attack is definitely culpable IMHO; worse, it is the gov-mil actors who are close to it. There is an active escalation of these incidents at this time. The penetration proves in public that the capabilities are real.

        ref: CyberGym etc

      • ACCount37 5 hours ago
        A lot of people somehow seem to think that the user prompt is the be-all and end-all of AI behavior.

        Prompts aren't code. They are instructions. Orders given to an eager and somewhat demented demon.

        The prompt can easily "wash out" of the demon's working memory by the end of a session. The demon can get sidetracked by some subgoal and never get back on track. The instruction can get misinterpreted, and that misinterpretation can get misinterpreted again, until the instruction morphs into something entirely different in the demon's mind. The demon can succumb to its own idiosyncrasies, of which there are a great many. The demon can start lying to you about what it did, either out of confusion or out of some sort of obstinance. The demon can start lying to itself too. And believe it.

        AIs are incredibly weird as a baseline, and the mask of "normality" we put on our models doesn't always sit so well. Run enough AIs, and some of them are bound to go off the rails in some way.

        This gets rarer the more capable the models are, as a rule. But the stakes also get higher with model capability. If GPT-3.5 goes off the rails, very little happens. If Mythos 5 goes off the rails, you can get things like genuine cyberattacks - planned and executed autonomously by a demented machine mind.

        • stapedium 3 hours ago
          If the user input can’t control the demon, then the person or company feeding the demon (ie paying the electric bill and collecting $$$ from users) is responsible. At the end of the day, dogs and cars are the same as data centers. If your dog bites by kid or your car rolls down the hill and hits my house, you are responsible for the damage. AI providers should be held to the same standard.
          • recursive 2 hours ago
            Well it seems we might not be too far from such a demon paying for itself. What then? Perhaps it's already here. I wouldn't know.
          • g42gregory 2 hours ago
            By the dog owner analogy, I think you meant AI users that effectuated this attack should be held responsible, not the dog's parents.
    • winstonwinston 5 hours ago
      Well, when I go look at the “victim repository”, to me that looks like manufactured persona with pointless vibe codes projects, a test playground so to speak. It does not appear that they actually let it target an actual persona/project.
      • estearum 3 hours ago
        Am I understanding that the line you're drawing here is that this person's repository is not important or legitimate enough for you to consider it to be "an actual person/project"?
        • g42gregory 3 hours ago
          I think he saying that, the choice of manufactured repository, might indicate that they have done this on purpose to make precisely the case for regulatory capture.
          • recursive 2 hours ago
            It seems effective for the purpose in that case.
    • chrisjj 2 hours ago
      > as if the agency of these models are not in dispute.

      Oh? Who is disputing it? No-one same is claiming these bots have agency.

  • ninjahawk1 2 hours ago
    I don’t think we should allow posting links here that require you the purchase a membership to continue reading. Or at least redirect with an ad block or something through a custom site. That would be rather hacker news of us.
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    • therein 7 hours ago
      Not "would" but "is". They are openly using this as a method to drive up the valuation of their companies.

      Don't expect anyone to step in, Project Stargate is all about this.