Borges Labyrinth in Venice reopens to the public

(wallpaper.com)

62 points | by gone35 3 days ago

10 comments

  • BLKNSLVR 1 hour ago
    I don't think I've come across anything related to Borges that hasn't been worth reading. I really need to investigate him more.

    My first introduction was the 'Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge'[0], from which I will never forget "those that tremble as if they were mad"

    And in rare scenarios I've found 'On Exactitude in Science'[1] to be pertinent. The thing itself is it's own map (maybe even: the code _is_ the documentation).

    [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_Emporium_of_Benevole...

    [1]: https://neilgreenberg.com/ao-quote-borges-on-exactitude-in-s...

    • svrtknst 1 hour ago
      I refer to Exactitude quite often, but more often to highlight that the code isn't the documentation, to use the same analogy.

      When we make a map, it is a purposeful abstraction. It disregards some things and exaggerates others. The map cannot explain everything – to do so it would need to be exactly the same size as the land beneath it.

      When you make a map, document code, present or listen to an argument etc. you need to focus on what's important for this specific purpose. Otherwise your map will be useless. Either from being incomplete, of from being too complete.

    • mdp2021 20 minutes ago
      Have you read El Aleph and Ficciones?

      Have you read Libro del cielo y del infierno, and El libro de los seres imaginarios, and Cuentos breves y extraordinarios?

      The poetry is also very, very worth it.

      And there is a recording of Borges reading a selection of his own poems. (Of which do not miss, for example, "El Golem").

  • dramm 17 minutes ago
    Nigel specified the height of the Borges labyrinth hedges in inches mistaking them for feet.
  • officehero 1 hour ago
    "House of Asterion" is Borges's main labyrinth story as far as I can remember. "Library of Babel", "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbits Tertius", "The Immortal" and "The Aleph" are my favorites. His collected works fit in a single book and is a great example of quality beats quantity.
    • devindotcom 47 minutes ago
      I suspect most would point to The Garden of Forking Paths as his "main labyrinth story" if he could be said to have such a thing. The Library of Babel is also a labyrinth of sorts. I recall another where a guy faked his own murder. He was really a labyrinthine guy.
  • crabmusket 4 hours ago
    What a coincidence - I'm currently reading his collection Labyrinths. If you've enjoyed the short stories of Ted Chiang I'd highly recommend it.
    • nottorp 1 hour ago
      Or chronologically, you may like Ted Chiang if you like Borges. I mean, who was there first?
  • a_number_of_his 2 hours ago
    It's not a labyrinth though!?

    Begin argument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinth

    • mdp2021 42 minutes ago
      The original labyrinth in Knossos was (according to some) was the royal Minoan palace on Crete, with structure so intricate it was a maze. The labrys is the double-edged axe, symbol of power, at its gate.

      Labyrinth is many things - substantially a maze (not e.g. a subset of it like specific shape).

    • telesilla 1 hour ago
      It is a garden, with forking paths.

      (I adore Borges, his Aleph story follows me through life, such wonders he opened.. "but all space was there, actual and undiminished"..)

      https://dn760105.eu.archive.org/0/items/borges-jorge-luis-bo...

    • BLKNSLVR 1 hour ago
      But it would feel like one if you woke up in the middle of it with nothing but your wits.
  • schaefer 3 hours ago
    I love this book so much (Labyrinths, by Borges).

    I once calculated the number of books in The Library of Bable, and had to try a number of numerical libraries to do so. one after another they kept puking on the large integers.

    I also think of "the secret miracle" often.

  • AngryData 5 hours ago
    Well I guess its neat they added a tactile map for the blind at the beginning of the maze, except the solid hard barrier at the bottom within the very narrow spaces and with hard corners is a massive tripping hazard even for people who can see.
    • mdp2021 16 minutes ago
      > I guess its neat

      I guess it is a direct idea given the structure is there to celebrate a blind master.

  • bywater 3 hours ago
    Given his themes, I wonder if the exit is just an illusion, or if you truly feel lost inside. Peak Borges tribute.
  • jmutex 4 hours ago
    Hope they have good signage, or at least a debugger. A real-world recursive data structure!
  • Markoff 1 hour ago
    Can someone please tell me how is it different from any other labyrinth and what makes it special (because it's memorial to some writer?)? I looked at photos and besides curved corners don't really see anything special.
    • mdp2021 38 minutes ago
      Look at its scheme from above

      https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/bFhmPUzXwoyNXtWmfaeGCb-102...

      > memorial

      Well yes, Borges was especially fond of labyrinths. And Borges is not just any writer: his process and language is indelible to anyone who read him, especially in formative years.

      • mdp2021 27 minutes ago
        Of course the labyrinth in Borges is a full concept, not just a plain geometric shape.

        --

        Spinoza

        Las traslúcidas manos del judío // labran en la penumbra los cristales // y la tarde que muere es miedo y frío. // (Las tardes a las tardes son iguales.)

        Las manos y el espacio de jacinto // que palidece en el confín del Ghetto // casi no existen para el hombre quieto // que está soñando un claro laberinto.

        No lo turba la fama, ese reflejo // de sueños en el sueño de otro espejo, // ni el temeroso amor de las doncellas.

        Libre de la metáfora y del mito // labra un arduo cristal: el infinito // mapa de Aquel que es todas Sus estrellas.

      • pixelatedindex 26 minutes ago
        It even almost reads like “Borges”, at least on the top. The design is remarkable.
        • mdp2021 23 minutes ago
          You spoiled it for the OP, to whom we were trying to give hints ;)
    • devindotcom 47 minutes ago
      nothing about its shape strikes you?