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  • guidoiaquinti 1 hour ago
    Several International Criminal Court (ICC) judges have been unable to access their bank accounts or receive routine salary payments and financial transfers due to financial blockages triggered by United States sanctions. In the country where they live
    • mhh__ 51 minutes ago
      Frankly I think this is a good bit of hormesis for European countries. It's critical that we have domestic payment infrastructure.
      • busssard 0 minutes ago
        what would be an alternative currently? i know of services like twint but this is a local swiss solution. any more EU wide established solutions??
    • NicoJuicy 42 minutes ago
      Let's get rid of US dependency for governement infrastructure as quickly as possible please.
    • rapsey 1 hour ago
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      • bunderbunder 1 hour ago
        I’m trying to remember the last time an international criminal court judge came to my community and brandished a firearm while shouting slurs at me. It has to have been at least a few weeks now.
      • flohofwoe 1 hour ago
        Concrete examples to verify such claims please? Also in civilized countries such things are decided by the justice system, not the government (which to the surprise of many simple minded people - like a certain US president and his fanbase - is independent from the government).
        • pc86 1 hour ago
          In what universe is the judiciary not part of the government?
          • bunderbunder 54 minutes ago
            Government is a term with multiple senses.

            In the US it’s common to only use it to describe the entire apparatus for holding, administering and enforcing state power.

            But it can also be used to mean the current ruling power in a parliamentary system together with the administrative bodies under its direct control. So something more akin to just the executive branch in the US system. And then certain state agencies such as the judiciary are meant to be independent of the government under that meaning of the term. I believe this is the most common understanding of the word outside the US.

            • edgyquant 47 minutes ago
              Its a really weird use of the word government to not actually refer to the government but to the executive and saying the “courts are outside of the government” makes it seem like they aren’t a part of the state.
              • bunderbunder 29 minutes ago
                Why is it so weird that a language as widely spoken as English should have dialectical variation?

                Wait ‘til you find out what some of my friends mean when they say “pavement”.

              • flohofwoe 36 minutes ago
                The important point is that courts have the power to overrule unconstitutional or unlawful government decisions.
          • flohofwoe 53 minutes ago
            Germany for instance? Google "Bundesverfassungsgericht". I don't think such a separated checks and balances system is all that unusual in democratic countries. A major task of a "proper" justice system is to keep the government in check.
          • sholladay 33 minutes ago
            It is, but in casual conversation, “government” often means the people/party currently in power (of the executive and/or legislature).

            You can see this when people say “[X] is unable to form a government”. They don’t mean unable to form a judiciary.

        • mhh__ 50 minutes ago
          This is only really true in certain countries that don't really do democracy. In Britain for example parliament is sovereign.
          • rapsey 49 minutes ago
            Farage was debanked. So was Trump and Melania, AfD politicians, Le Penn in france.
            • mhh__ 46 minutes ago
              I may have misread the topic of conversation but he was debanked by a private bank - I was arguing against juristocracy but possibly incorrectly aimed
            • flohofwoe 16 minutes ago
              From what I can read on various news sites, not even LePenn blamed the government directly. All those cases were either business decisions of companies who can freely decide who they want as customers, or quickly overturned as unlawful by judges.

              It would be good if you did at least a minimal amount of due diligence before spreading misinformation (but I guess spreading misinformation is the whole point).

        • ecshafer 50 minutes ago
          The concrete example would be Canada "debanking" the truckers who protested in Ottawa for exercising their GOD given right to free speech. Another concrete example would be Germany having banks close accounts for the AFD and AFD related people.
          • flohofwoe 45 minutes ago
            Some basic googling would tell you that:

            1. the AfD thing was the decision of individual banks, not of the German government. Basically, in a free world companies can decide who they want to do business with.

            2. the Canadian trucker "debanking" was quickly resolved because the Canadian justice system did their job and overruled the unlawful "emergency" government order

      • iAMkenough 1 hour ago
        You mean right-wing terrorists? The ones that forcibly invaded the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021 and attacked police officers in an effort to distrupt democracy?
        • neuronexmachina 52 minutes ago
          The current admin views right-wing terrorists as brave heroes in service of Dear Leader.
          • epistasis 19 minutes ago
            Currently in the US, it's not criminal if it's done at the bidding of Trump, or if Trump approves of the violence.

            The federal government is still stymieing the investigation of the ICE/DHS killings of Minneapolis citizens, violating their own policies requiring investigation.

            There's no more federal rule of law until there's a full change in power, and that requires installing a functional DOJ and a new Supreme Court that is more interested in the law than in furthering partisan politics.

      • embedding-shape 1 hour ago
        Are you saying the US government been implementing sanctions to make right wing activists not be able to receive bank transfers? That sounds like friendly fire and backwards, are you sure you understood the "source" correctly?
        • sebzim4500 49 minutes ago
          Not from the US, but for example anti-lockdown campaigners in Canada had their bank accounts frozen IIRC
          • embedding-shape 1 minute ago
            Wow, I think disagreeing with a lockdown in the face of a pandemic is pretty fucking stupid but even so, freezing people's bank accounts is even more messed up and should not happen over any sort of non-violent political actions in a modern democracy. Seems unblocked now, but still that seems like a bananas reaction.

            For reference as I hadn't heard about it before:

            > Isabelle Jacques, assistant deputy minister of finance, told a committee of MPs that up to 210 bank accounts holding about $7.8 million were frozen under the financial measures contained in the Emergencies Act. - https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergency-bank-measures-fin...

        • edgyquant 47 minutes ago
          Previous administrations have yes.
    • miroljub 46 minutes ago
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    • RunSet 39 minutes ago
      Killing the survivors of a shipwreck[0] is a textbook example of a war crime[1] and would explain why the liar-in-chief is so sweaty about the ICC.

      [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/11/28/...

      [1] https://www.mediaite.com/media/tv/cnns-elie-honig-points-out...

      • kdkforotot 23 minutes ago
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      • jermaustin1 3 minutes ago
        > would explain why the liar-in-chief is so sweaty about the ICC.

        In what world do you think Trump even remembers about the double tap on a fishing vessel more than a day ago? He has no worry about anything, he has escaped prosecution for everything he's ever done, and I doubt he believes he might face a tribunal at the Hague, if he even actually knows what the Hague, or a tribunal, or the ICC actually are.

  • andsoitis 1 hour ago
    The more countries trade with each other and depend on each other, the better things are for peace and human advancement.

    The zero-sum mindset that's de rigueur at the moment needs to die soon or the world that we'll inhabit is gonna suck.

    • wyldfire 52 minutes ago
      We've gathered decades of evidence in support of this, with commerce and trade supporting global peace.

      Though, it's nice to see in this particular case that a near monopoly player gets unseated and creates room for innovation.

    • bunderbunder 1 hour ago
      But it would seem there’s a certain balancing act. Because that kind of economic integration can also create pressure points for an autocrat to exploit in ways that are contrary to peace and human advancement.

      This is why many Enlightenment thinkers didn’t just view monopolies as an economic problem; they viewed it as a direct threat to free and just society.

    • m4rtink 22 minutes ago
      For this to work all participants need to play along, not throw a tantrum & actively trying to sabotage the system. In such cases, you need to cut out the faulty participant & continue without them.
      • bluGill 20 minutes ago
        But now you are not playing along either...
        • agentultra 6 minutes ago
          Yes, exactly. Playing along with anti-cooperative and anti-progressive behaviour is not on the agenda. The goal isn’t to get along with everyone.
    • flohofwoe 31 minutes ago
      The idea of "change through trade" mostly worked great (see most former socialist European countries), but sometimes not at all (see Russia and more recently the US), and China is kind of in the middle of both extremes and may swing to either side in the future.
  • HelloUsername 1 hour ago
    Related: "Dutch governments builds alternative for Microsoft based on NixOS (dawo.community)" 25.sep.2026 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49841563 581 comments
  • silverFork 2 hours ago
    It is more like self imposed sanction against US made products. There are now tons of open source operating systems and applications that can replace Microsoft products, which are basically some old programs. The replacements cost vastly less for use and support.
    • juujian 24 minutes ago
      Of course you would want to procure products that work for all of your employees. The idea that you could just cut off certain elements of a foreign government was really shortsighted.
    • pipes 1 hour ago
      Citation needed on the costs vastly less to support and use.
      • anonzzzies 45 minutes ago
        I do not know in this case, but I led migration and cost benefits analysis beforehand of very large Windows 3.11 to 95 to 2000; at the time there was nothing else that was considered useful and there still pain and massive cost. Later on we had to consider Linux as alternative; it just wasn’t close ; the stability (yep), easy of use etc was just not feasible. Now that Linux is good and easy to configure to basically be exactly like Windows and now that most custom applications of large corporates are web based and specific ones can be ran via Citrix for a few people who need it, I am guessing it finally is cheaper now. And 90% of users won’t even notice the difference; I remember when I was planning my first 3.11 to 95 migration that people were by far most stressed about users unable to open applications as they remember not the name or the icon but 2nd row, 3rd down is Word. Start, 5 up, 1 right, 3 down is internet. Etc. So as long as that’s the same, you are fine. It’s how most our clients still work so we take care never to move functionalities; only add, no delete.
        • skeledrew 7 minutes ago
          > 2nd row, 3rd down is Word. Start, 5 up, 1 right, 3 down is internet.

          That's crazy. There's no way that's the case today though as learning about basic computers+office (which implicitly includes how to run apps) is pretty standard in schools, and is a requirement for relevant positions. And the alternatives have a mostly similar UI, so the only differences people really need to deal with is ribbon vs traditional toolbar and a few other minor items, which can be covered in a couple of meetings for the more dense employees.

      • silverFork 59 minutes ago
        No monthly fees and most software is available on opensource

        windows -> linux mint OR reactOS OR OpenSUSE OR NIXos ( their choice) and many more

        excel -> many of them as well as google spread sheet for free

        Word -> Gazillion editors on open source; some much much better; and there is free google editor to boot

        PowerPoint-> again Gazillion opensource replacements

        Paint-> is a joke. Open source stuff is 10 times better

        I don't want to advertise these products but you have access to search engines; look it up..

        What is it that you think is so special? The only reason people are using the stuff is momentum carried from the past and PC being sold preloaded with windows.

        In my opinion that is.

        • webarchitect 15 minutes ago
          Not to mention that with WINE you can install Microsoft Office - I could be wrong, but I think OS and Infra are the focus, Microsoft Office is orienting and tolerable. Its bloated but people know it. Besides office, everything important really is a web app now.
        • skeledrew 17 minutes ago
          > reactOS

          Not at all viable for daily use. Better you said ZorinOS (Linux distro with a very Windows feel; used it myself for a few months during my transition from Windows over 10 years ago).

        • zidad 28 minutes ago
          Google is not a very viable alternative when you're trying to evade US sanctions
        • tosti 30 minutes ago
          "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." -- Vance Petree, Virginia Power
        • locusofplenty 39 minutes ago
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      • bluGill 1 hour ago
        Very much. There are a lot of hidden costs in computers. What does IT cost you? If everybody already knows the other program how much productivity is lost before they figure out the slight changes with the new (they will learn but experts will need time to become experts).
        • edwinjm 1 hour ago
          That’s not a citation. Of course you want to have actual research to substantiate these statements.
          • silverFork 44 minutes ago
            What is citation; somebody else reporting it?

            Here; they replacing windows.. the packages they have listed are open source aka typically free to use https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/germa...

            • bluGill 18 minutes ago
              That is exactly my point: what is the cost to those "free" to use things? There are a lot of costs that have nothing to do with the price to get them.
          • bluGill 47 minutes ago
            Sorry, I'm saying the things I want a citation to look at. A lot of citations are too superficial.
        • jackb4040 15 minutes ago
          > If everybody already knows the other program

          Thankfully what you're describing is a switching cost, not a permanently higher operating cost. Once the monopoly is broken and the state is using open source tools, there's every reason to believe it will be cheaper - no expensive proprietary certifications etc.

          It would be unbelievable that the US would rather continue facilitating a genocide than retain Microsoft's global enterprise software monopoly, had they not already destroyed the UN, the ICC, and the global economy for that goal.

          All they had to do was make keep the other costs lower than the switching costs, and they could've continued setting terms forever.

    • MadrasThorn 1 hour ago
      Yeah. Trump has been ripping out US infrastructure globally. Trumps administration and vance(GOP finance chair) elon(doge) thiel(owns vance) need to be removed ASAP.
  • SillyUsername 17 minutes ago
    Some people might consider not having access to Windows 11 as a blessing in disguise when businesses are "forced" to move from Windows 10, now they can see there are other viable options.
  • paulvnickerson 1 hour ago
    They didn't have to go with NixOS...
    • whazor 1 hour ago
      They previously used openSUSE and then Fedora. But both have companies behind them, where-as NixOS does not. And with NixOS they are more sovereign.
      • orbital-decay 24 minutes ago
        NixOS (or rather nixpkgs) in its current state heavily depends on GitHub/Microsoft at the very least, and switching to anything else is non-trivial.
      • andsoitis 1 hour ago
        > They previously used openSUSE and then Fedora.

        Why did those not work out? Why do they think things will be different with NixOS?

        • Ilaurens 40 minutes ago
          Fedora is connected to Red Hat which is a US company, which is exactly the dependence that is undesired
        • geek_at 50 minutes ago
          Because it was suse and fedora
    • vishalontheline 1 hour ago
    • thrance 1 hour ago
      I think it makes sense? You probably get an easier time reproducing a config on thousands of devices using NixOS?
      • viraptor 1 hour ago
        Golden image deployments and netboot have been around for ages. If you want an unified system and control the infrastructure, it doesn't really matter which system you use.

        I'm not sure why they chose nix. But it does make it easier to carry local patches than a lot of other systems. I hope they succeed.

        • tosti 23 minutes ago
          The one that makes it trivial to carry over local patches is Gentoo. I carry a set of patches to every new computer and update them whenever neccesary. No overlay yet :P
      • lurkerforawhile 54 minutes ago
        it makes so much sense. a small team of experts maintaining a rock-solid base configuration providing the essentials, which can then be built on top of for agency/department or even personal specifics - all declarative, immutable, cachable, testable. I can't think of a better tool for the job.
        • viraptor 22 minutes ago
          As a downside, any change to software, version updates, keeping things secure now depends on the team is experts. Most are easy, some are hard (e.g. new software now requires a new Swift version - one person motivated enough to do that project has been pushing it for months), some are annoying (patch to libc means you're re-downloading your whole system).

          As a positive thing, maybe at least nixos will get a serious security pipeline rather than the current best-effort community approach.

          • tosti 20 minutes ago
            Well that was the whole problem to begin with! A lack of experts. Hence they went with IBM and MicroSlop. These guys are late.
        • tosti 22 minutes ago
          buildroot
    • AmazingTurtle 1 hour ago
      Had to be a team of circle jerk external advisories that want to become rich by inflating the effort here
      • tfrancisl 14 minutes ago
        I dont think Determinate Systems was involved, despite their proximity to the Netherlands (Eelco being Dutch). They work with American arms manufacturers, so I suspect that may play a role.
      • pessimizer 18 minutes ago
        This is my fear.
  • nullify88 47 minutes ago
    Hopefully this will cause Denmark and its banks to issue more Dankort cards
  • pelagicAustral 1 hour ago
    How is that a sanction? seems like a blessing instead.
  • mg794613 12 minutes ago
    Never again America.

    All your negotiation power across the world, gone, because of one Orange person.

    And not because he secretly took power, because you elected him, twice.

  • madhacker 6 minutes ago
    FAFO America
  • danielsamuels 37 minutes ago
    > [...] its chief prosecutor lost access to Microsoft services, including email

    > [...] the program was aimed at refreshing the technologies used by the Dutch government in such a way that it would no longer be in a situation where it could lose access to critical systems at the whim of a foreign country

    How does switching desktop OS help you retain access to email and payment services, neither of which care about your OS?

    • gcr 32 minutes ago
      Because the ICC and Dutch authorities could no longer access their bank accounts or emails because of sanctions Microsoft chose to enforce .
      • danielsamuels 18 minutes ago
        OK, and how does changing your desktop OS help with that? Does NixOS grant you access to a locked bank account where Windows 11 doesn't?
  • PorciiVorbesc 1 hour ago
    I still don't get why EU governments and agencies don't standardize around an already existing industry proven OS the EU already has domestically, which is SUSE, and need to each go reinventing the wheel their own way, which leads to higher costs and more fragmentation across the EU.

    I heard the reason was that NL doesn't know if SUSE will be sold off again and might end up in the hands of some US PE, but here's the thing, you're the government, you can just block the sale of companies related to sovereign national security like those making operating systems. You can just do things when you want to. You literally have that power. Exercise it for once FFS.

    • dtech 1 hour ago
      > I heard the reason was that NL doesn't know if SUSE will be sold off again and might end up in the hands of some US PE, but here's the thing, you're the government, you can just block the sale of companies

      The Dutch government can famously prevent sales of German and Luxembourgish companies yes.

      • PorciiVorbesc 1 hour ago
        I meant the EU, at EU level, not the Dutch government. Also it's not like the Dutch government can't cooperate with the other EU members like Germany and Luxembourg on such vital topics. Unless of course trust inside the EU is so lackluster that the Dutch government can't be sure where Germany and Luxembourg will stand, in which case it's already over for the EU.
        • eterm 1 hour ago
          The EU level doesn't have enforcement mechanisms, EU law is applied through member states changing their laws.
        • graemep 1 hour ago
          Does the EU have the power to block sales of companies on national security grounds? Or to get member states to standardise on software?

          Its probably a good thing they do not have a standard, or at this point it would be Windows and pushing change through at the EU level would not be fast.

          • PorciiVorbesc 1 hour ago
            >Does the EU have the power to block sales of companies on national security grounds?

            Not on defense and national security, that's up to individual EU member states, but the EU does veto corporate mergers and acquisitions on Competition Law (Antitrust). So just find a loophole in that and use it to prevent SUSE be taken over by non-EU nations.

            • toyg 1 hour ago
              The governments "just" doing this or that, are typically the tyrannical or unhinged variety you don't want to live under. If your law is written decently and you have a functioning judiciary, chances of a loopholes surviving scrutiny will be very low.

              The European Commission could definitely ask governments (the European Council) to agree a new treaty or protocol that grants them veto powers on "federal security grounds", for sure. The European Parliament would likely rubber-stamp it too. Considering the current (and increasing) right-wing majorities across the continent, though, I find such scenario very unlikely.

              • PorciiVorbesc 46 minutes ago
                >The governments "just" doing this or that, are typically the tyrannical or unhinged variety you don't want to live under.

                You can always "just do things" whenever you want by interpreting or changing the laws first to fit your desired goal. And so there, now it's legal, because I just changed the rules to make it so.

                Same how the "we'll now have to accept all those migrants illegally crossing our border without asking our voters if its what they want" was done, they decided overnight that its legal. Or how they can just block the right wing from winning elections in order to "just protect democracy".

                We're already under tyrannical rule, except the system abuse just acts on the wrong topics.

              • ElevenLathe 1 hour ago
                As an American, EU politics is such a fascinating bizarro world. Imagine the right wingers being a bulwark against unhinged expansion of executive authority on grounds of national security! It would be like statehouse Republicans blocking the Patriot Act. Unthinkable.
                • toyg 43 minutes ago
                  Well, the same in the other direction: imagine the free marketeers by definition, installing an autocrat big on isolationist policies, the dismantling of judiciary separation, and on picking winners in the market... Absurd! And still, here we are. Humans are funny and inconsistent like that.
                • graemep 8 minutes ago
                  I think it demonstrates the extent to which left and right are artificial groupings that owe more to tribalism than anything rational.

                  In the UK it was the right wing Conservative party which introduced same sex marriage. I am pretty sure the Republicans are unlikely to do that.

                  Of course some things are clear. Privatisation is right wing, nationalisation is left wing, but you never really had the latter in the US!

                • nottorp 38 minutes ago
                  By the way liberals in EU are center right to right :)
      • Alexander-Barth 1 hour ago
        For context, the US once prevented that a German company AIXTRON was sold to a Chinese investor in 2016 (perhaps for good reasons). To me it would sound like a good deal for the Netherlands and Luxembourg/Germany if Netherlands would uses SUSE and the Luxembourg/Germany would step in to keep in in the EU.

        https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/12/02/us-blocks-chi...

    • p_l 1 hour ago
      Might be related to NixOS being strongly related to Netherlands and them picking local
      • PorciiVorbesc 1 hour ago
        Yeah well that's why the EU federal idea is and will be a failure. It wishes to be the challenger to the US and China hegemony in theory, but then every individual country wants to be its own special mini-boss in its own playground hoping they'll be at the top of the helm, that develops and uses its own separate things that will hopefully get adopted by the other EU members.
        • nutjob2 1 hour ago
          You have it in reverse. A federal EU enables EU countries to pool sovereignty and strength to protect itself from the US and China. It neither needs to or wants to challenge anyone. A federal system allows EU wide decisions to be made quickly and without petty parochial concerns.

          Constituent states rightly can choose to make their own decisions in matters like this, it hardly effects anyone else, and they can choose to collaborate.

        • cgio 1 hour ago
          Is that why US failed while building CP/m, Unix a few, Dos, Windows, MacOs, OS/2,…? A successful market does not impose monopolies. The more, the merrier.
          • PorciiVorbesc 1 hour ago
            > A successful market does not impose monopolies. The more, the merrier.

            Yeah but when it comes to national sovereignty you can't let your own products get steamrolled by the entrenched monopolies of your adversaries (Google, Microsoft, AWS, etc) just because you're gullible and still think you can play by the rules of idealistic 'free market' and come out on top, while your adversaries protect their monopolies to weaponize them against you on the "free market", suppressing or destroying your domestic industry and making you indefinitely dependent on them (US big-tech, Chinese EV industry, etc).

            China has achieved a SW industry superior to the EU with much less money, simply because it has banned US big-tech from its market, preventing its own small domestic players from being crushed by US giants. It's also how countries like Italy, Japan and Korea built strong car industries post-WW2, as they banned superior import cars (often US ones) from their markets, till their own industry could catch up and be competitive internationally. India does the same.

            • toyg 1 hour ago
              Cooperation and competition can be partial. Google and Microsoft compete internally and then cooperate when fighting external forces. There is no reason why this cannot work for European companies too.

              The problem has more to do with the weak sense of belonging to a supranational identity. Californians and New Yorkers both identify as Americans before they identify as members of their home state; the opposite is true of most Europeans still. Change is slow.

              • PorciiVorbesc 24 minutes ago
                >Californians and New Yorkers both identify as Americans before they identify as members of their home state; the opposite is true of most Europeans still.

                You don't need to completely erase and crush ethnic and national identities in order to standardize on technical platform for the common market.

          • azan_ 1 hour ago
            When the market is as huge as US, there's lots of space for competition. Sadly in how EU is currently structured it would most likely be just german "Microsoft", spanish "Microsoft", french "Microsoft" etc.
    • graemep 1 hour ago
      > but here's the thing, you're the government, you can just block the sale of companies related to sovereign national security like those making operating systems

      Last time I looked it was a Swedish owned German company. The government of the Netherlands has limited power there. Given its history and performance its quite likely to get sold and might end up in American or Chinese hands or anything really.

  • MadrasThorn 1 hour ago
    Trump attacking the Netherlands means transatlanticism is really dead.

    I think this has a lot to do with how the case against Putin was built and Trump used his influence to disrupt it.

    • ParentiSoundSys 1 hour ago
      It's because the ICC issued an arrest warrant for Benjamin Netanyahu for committing war crimes.
      • jonnybgood 1 hour ago
        The US had issue with the ICC since it first began in 2002. Multiple administrations saw it as a problem.
        • b5n 16 minutes ago
          Taking issue with accountability is a long lived American tradition enjoyed predominantly by those with wealth/power.
        • sickofparadox 1 hour ago
          The year the ICC was established, Congress passed a law providing enduring authorization for a full scale military invasion of the Netherlands should the ICC imprison any US service member, government employee, or those of allied nations (including Israel).[1] It even prevents any level of the US government (local, state, or federal) from working to assist the ICC. Americans do not want to be beholden to a foreign court.

          [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr...

      • MadrasThorn 1 hour ago
        I'm probably wrong but I could have sworn there was an article that came out when Trump was elected something happened with data on microsoft accounts/server huh. I guess it's ungoogable right now. Might have just been hosted by US gov. Must have been funding related.

        Anyway I don't support ICC grabbing power it does not have over other countries who do not sign on.

        If the ICC wanted to be consistent they should target Hamas leaders, Iranian leaders, ect

        • input_sh 45 minutes ago
          You'd be happy to know that ICC has also indicted three Hamas leaders (Yahya Sinwar, Mohammed Deif, Ismail Haniyeh). Granted all three were withdrawn because their deaths were confirmed, but you're presenting it as if ICC only indicted Israeli leaders, which is not the case.
          • MadrasThorn 14 minutes ago
            I am happy to know they are at least somewhat consistent however unfortunately it still doesn't change my position on it.

            I am wondering if every war time leader should expect an ICC indictment.

        • petre 1 hour ago
          > If the ICC wanted to be consistent they should target Hamas leaders, Iranian leaders, ect

          Iran is not a party to the Rome Statute and the court has not opened an official case against Iranian officials.

          However, the ICC has issued an arrest warrant for Mohammed Diab Ibrahim Al-Masri, Commander-in-Chief of Hamas's military wing for war crimes and crimes against humanity stemming from the October 7 attacks.

      • antonvs 1 hour ago
        And because Trump and co don't want to have to deal with such warrants against themselves.

        It's the ultimate expression of US corruption. There's not even a pretense of fighting for justice any more, just fighting justice.

    • rapsey 1 hour ago
      The EU is entirely subjugated to the US. No energy independence, militaries falling apart and out of date, no tech development or investment.
      • mittensc 1 hour ago
        Maybe that's wrong?

        The US can't even win a war in the middle east without NATO

        What is the US going to do when China starts making their own moves?

        • bluGill 10 minutes ago
          > The US can't even win a war in the middle east without NATO

          That is false. The US could win a war in the middle east without NATO.

          The US has consistently chosen not to attempt to do so, but there is every reason to think they could. It is good that the US mostly tries to work with NATO on the middle east (and bad that Trump has not).

          The US has also consistently chosen to send minimal ground forces, and when they do send them they are very careful to protect the lives of their soldiers at the expense of winning.

          However there remains every reason to think the US could make different decisions and win wars in the middle east alone.

        • rapsey 1 hour ago
          Outside the US, NATO countries have very little power projection capabilities. A bit of france, a bit of UK and then nothing.
          • mittensc 56 minutes ago
            How's that power projection working in Iran/Yemen?

            Would NATO change the equation?

            • bluGill 7 minutes ago
              The US has chosen not to project all the power they can. That is send soldiers - likely some to die. However the US has the ability to send them if they want, and could supply them if they did - nobody else has anywhere near that ability ready today.
      • flohofwoe 57 minutes ago
        The tricky thing these days is trying to figure out whether messages like this are coming from Russian or MAGA bots ;) In any case, good work comrade! Here's your potato / Trumpcoin. Now back into your troll cave.
  • p-e-w 1 hour ago
    No problem. After the next election in the Netherlands, Microsoft only needs to promise to build a local headquarters there and the future government will roll back to Windows at twice the previous cost, which is exactly what happened in Munich.
    • 98753579909754 1 hour ago
      Sounds very social and very democratic.
      • Propelloni 1 hour ago
        People make it sound as if Munich flip-flopped on Linux. The then ruling social-democrats and the greens started the LiMux project in 2003! The social-democrats and the conservative christians ruling in 2020 switched back to MS Windows. The current administration is mandating open source but not specifically Linux.

        I use Linux since the year 2000 and it has been ruff in the early days, no doubt. The desktop competition were MS Windows 2000 and XP, often lauded as peak MS Windows. Apple had all but disappeared. But 2020 I'd wager that average KDE desktop vs. average MS Windows 10 desktop would be a draw. Today it would be a KDE desktop win, but that's more due to MS Windows 11 suckiness than the leaps and bounds Linux made.

  • andrewstuart 1 hour ago
    Good thing the Netherlands isn’t the most critical single node for advanced chip equipment, cause that could become awkward.

    Oh wait, it is.

    But it’s ok because Us President has made it clear the the USA doesn’t need anything Europe has. So, not a problem.

    • petcat 1 hour ago
      The US government already exerts extensive control over ASML's business. The Netherlands can't leverage it in any kind of strategic way because a large part of the technology itself is American and it's very hard to untangle. It's the true definition of a "multi national" company.
      • kalleboo 4 minutes ago
        Do they exert any physical control (i.e. parts are made and shipped from North America), or is it just "Intellectual Property" and legal agreements that can be ignored?

        This is an honest question, I'm trying my best to word it to not sound like a troll.

      • llm_nerd 1 hour ago
        >a large part of the technology itself

        A tiny fraction of the technology itself started as an ineffective "American" invention, copying a Japanese discovery/invention. In fact when ASML acquired the company, specifically because it couldn't do what they wanted and they needed to vastly improve it, a Japanese company had a superior product in the same space, but ASML saw the Japanese company as too much political baggage given how protectionist the Japanese often are.

        How funny it all turned out, right?

    • postepowanieadm 1 hour ago
      USA and Netherlands (alone, and within EU) have signed an agreement concerning that about two months ago.
    • clydethefrog 1 hour ago
      The Dutch government let the USA store their nuclear weapons in the 60s in Vonkel already. We have long lost our sovereignty.
    • mytailorisrich 1 hour ago
      There is a lot of noise for public consumption but the reality is that the US control the Netherlands and most European countries, and in fact while this noise has become louder in recent years so has the dependency of Europe on the US...
    • mupuff1234 1 hour ago
      ASML sold nothing in Europe in 2026, they would implode if they stopped selling to US companies
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