Secret of Orange Cats Revealed After 60-Year Search

(sciencealert.com)

142 points | by bookofjoe 1 day ago

15 comments

  • dayyan 32 minutes ago
    The article says there's no evidence of the gene being responsible for behavior.

    Which means it's inconclusive if the gene is responsible for behavior.

    But, collectively we know it may be.

    • dekhn 26 minutes ago
      This is fairly typical for genetic studies. We can observe an association, without understanding the causal relationship. Those of us who take the molecular biology/biophysical view of genes and proteins have been watching the geneticists slowly discover that "the allele of a gene that codes for" mental model is very limited; at least they're starting to pay more attention to the regulatory changes and indels and structural rearrangements, even if they don't have the tools to explain the underlying mechanism.

      Like most hair/skin coloring, it's related to melanin production, regulation, and distribution.

  • bookofjoe 3 hours ago
    • freecodeio 29 minutes ago
      this one is always funny, anyone know why my orange would pull his ass so high to get a nice smack? almost as if they feel some sort of relief
      • sillysaurusx 25 minutes ago
        Ever have someone bang on your lower back that way? It feels good :)
    • drooopy 3 hours ago
      Recently I went through the list of all of the subs that I follow and 80% of them were all cat related.
      • jnovek 1 hour ago
        Do you think it’s always been that way?

        I have gone through a slow attrition of “serious” subs over the years as they’ve all slowly become toxic. I pretty much just have goofy, fun stuff or niche interests left at this point.

        • 1970-01-01 1 hour ago
          Cat picture pollution arrived around 2005 with Facebook. Directly driving it was the new idea of a cellphone camera. AOL and the era before it didn't have the cat picture pollution problem because they didn't have the technology to post them.
          • toss1 44 minutes ago
            It is not pollution when it is the desirable outcome.

            It isn't like the relevant environment — the set of Internet forums — somehow predates human influence; it is nothing but the sum of human influence.

            Cat pictures at least add joy and mirth, and are driven by real people without outside motivation.

            If anything is pollution in that environment / context, is is the rise of content driven by surveillance capitalism and political corruption.

            At this point (at the risk of turning a measure into a target), might we be able to gauge the natural-ness of a forum by the number of cat pics?

            • shagie 24 minutes ago
              > Cat pictures at least add joy and mirth, and are driven by real people without outside motivation.

              Scientists Find a Surprising Link Between Cats And Happiness Across 93 Countries (05 October 2026) https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-find-a-surprising-li...

              > If you're looking for a boost of household happiness, then you might want to consider getting yourself a cat.

              > In a new study published in PLOS One, an international team of researchers analyzed publicly available data across 93 countries to examine the relationship between happiness scores, domestic cat density, and infection rates of Toxoplasma gondii – the parasite that affects as many as 1 in 3 people and which felines are the primary host of.

              > ...

              > "What we found is that countries with more cats tended to report higher levels of happiness, while countries with higher exposure to Toxoplasma gondii tended to report lower levels of happiness," say the study authors in a press release.

              Wealth, health, cats and Toxoplasma gondii: An ecological correlational study of subjective well-being across 93 countries (September 30, 2026) - https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0357911

              > Conclusion

              > This ecological study provides novel insights into the magnitude and robustness of the associations between happiness, cat density, T. gondii exposure, and socioeconomic factors across 93 countries. Our main findings showed that, besides the typical associations between subjective well-being and some socioeconomic factors, national happiness was largely and positively associated with cat density and largely and negatively associated with IgM T. gondii exposure. These results underscore the need for future studies integrating both socioeconomic and biological determinants of happiness and including longitudinal and interdisciplinary approaches to elucidate the underlying mechanisms and processes.

            • 1970-01-01 38 minutes ago
              Thank you Claudia. The cat pollution problem predates your training. In summation, cat pictures started as a nonpathogenec virus on Facebook and slowly matured into a slight benefit to some and an off-topic scourge to others. It's net benefit to humanity are debatable.
              • toss1 11 minutes ago
                Based on what evidence do you think that post was LLM-generated?

                I can assure you it was 0.000% influenced by artificial systems.

                Evidently, evaluating human sentiments is outside the scope of your training.

        • floorsthelimit 1 hour ago
          That’s a healthy way to use Reddit. Everything else is mostly rage bait.
      • Sharlin 3 hours ago
        I wouldn't be surprised if 80% of all subreddits are cat related.
      • bookofjoe 3 hours ago
      • NietTim 1 hour ago
        I've been blocking subs in RES for years now, it's over 7000 last I checked and most I see on /r/all now is cat content. It's GLORIOUS
        • RobotToaster 57 minutes ago
          I don't think I've ever visited /r/all, it seems like a terrible place.
          • NietTim 53 minutes ago
            I agree, but for a long time it was the only way to discover new niche subs
      • dyauspitr 1 hour ago
        I never understood the extreme love for cats. I considered getting one for my daughter but the toxoplasmosis alone makes cat ownership an immediate nope and that’s before the cat piss/poop you can immediately smell in a house with cats in them.
        • Xirdus 1 hour ago
          Cats spent the last 4000 years or so evolving to be more adorable to humans. The reasons we love cats are rooted in our basic cognitive functions, which cats are abusing. I am not taking a piss when I say that people who don't like cats are more likely to be neurodivergent.
          • dyauspitr 58 minutes ago
            > I am not taking a piss when I say that people who don't like cats are more likely to be neurodivergent.

            “Dog people” heavily outnumber “cat people” almost always in polls. Like 44% to 18% in this one https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/docume...

            Your neurodivergence argument holds up, just not in the way you think it does.

            • Xirdus 33 minutes ago
              I would like you to expand on how my neurodivergence argument holds up if it doesn't hold up in the way I think it does. If you're about to say autists like cats more, I'm going to flip the desk.
              • dyauspitr 31 minutes ago
                Yes, that is exactly what I am saying but you should calm down. That could be the toxoplasmosis talking.
        • floorsthelimit 1 hour ago
          I prefer animals that shit in a box to animals that eat their own shit and barf it up and eat it again.

          Plus it’s probably the toxoplasmosis that brainwashes us to love those furry little things.

          • shagie 22 minutes ago
            > Plus it’s probably the toxoplasmosis that brainwashes us to love those furry little things.

            Elsecomment I mentioned a recent article. Scientists Find a Surprising Link Between Cats And Happiness Across 93 Countries - https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-find-a-surprising-li...

            > "What we found is that countries with more cats tended to report higher levels of happiness, while countries with higher exposure to Toxoplasma gondii tended to report lower levels of happiness," say the study authors in a press release.

            The paper itself is https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0357911

        • michaelmrose 1 hour ago
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  • stuaxo 4 hours ago
    Wait, do people in the US really call them "orange cats" - I just thought that was a reddit / internet thing.

    In the UK these are ginger cats.

    • jzb 1 hour ago
      Yes. But we also call redheads "redheads" as a rule, not "gingers" - except that the "ginger" thing has filtered over here via the Internet in the past, I dunno, 20 years.

      Like, I can't recall anybody describing a redheaded person as a "ginger" in the 80s or 90s, (location: Missouri) it's something I've only encountered since there's been more language cross-pollination due to the Internet.

      • BobbyJo 1 hour ago
        South Park really spread "ginger" as the term in the US. Since that episode, everyone I know uses ginger instead of redhead, whereas I only learned the word ginger from that episode.
    • ivanjermakov 2 hours ago
      I thought it was popularized by internet/Reddit as a joke denoting that ginger cats are "special": https://www.reddit.com/r/OneOrangeBraincell/
    • SwiftyBug 3 hours ago
      We call them orange cats (gatos laranjas) in Portuguese too!
    • orphea 3 hours ago
      Many places outside the US call them orange as well.
    • jeremyscanvic 3 hours ago
      I always found this funny as well. We say ginger cats (chats roux) in French too!
    • drooopy 3 hours ago
      Cookie vs biscuit, vacation vs holiday, gasoline vs petrol, etc, etc.
      • TiredOfLife 1 hour ago
        Cookie and biscuit are two different things. Which two depends on country, but still two different things
        • NetMageSCW 1 hour ago
          The point is what in the Uk is called a biscuit in the US is called a cookie. Similarly for the other pairings.
          • shagie 20 minutes ago
            Do ginger cats make the same biscuits as orange cats?

            Though, https://www.reddit.com/r/catsinpants/ works for both forms of English.

          • card_zero 54 minutes ago
            This sense of biscuit persisted in US English for a long time. The National Biscuit Company (makers of oreos and fig newtons) only changed its name to Nabisco in 1931. The Kennedy Biscuit Company was subsumed by the New York Biscuit Company which merged with the American Biscuit Company to form the National Biscuit Company in 1898. Closes Wikipedia
          • venzaspa 1 hour ago
            Cookies in the UK are a subset of biscuits, but not all biscuits are cookies. Do you not have any other types of biscuits (using the UK term) in the US?
            • bensyverson 1 hour ago
              No. A biscuit is something entirely different in the US. We just have many types of cookies.
      • irishcoffee 2 hours ago
        FWIW, I believe petroleum is a synonym for crude oil. If you put it in your cars fuel tank, you'll have a bad time. Gasoline is made from petrolium.
        • cpburns2009 2 hours ago
          I'm pretty sure petrol means gasoline not petroleum.
          • RobotToaster 51 minutes ago
            Petrol is technically just short for petroleum, which is latin for "rock oil"

            Gasoline is from gas + plus the chemical suffix "ol" short for the latin "oleum", and "ine" meaning "made of".

            • delecti 30 minutes ago
              But the etymology of a word doesn't prove that someone is using that word wrong, or people on both sides of the pond would have to start baking our biscuits a second time.
        • dylan604 2 hours ago
          petrol !== petroleum

          the confusion is solely in your reading comprehension skills and not in the GP's use of the words

    • gedy 3 hours ago
      You might be shocked that we say "red heads" instead of ginger as well.
    • danaris 3 hours ago
      In the US, "ginger" is a seasoning, not a color. Like, in general; we do not refer to anything as being ginger-colored unless it's a sort of pale yellowish tan.
      • aqme28 3 hours ago
        People will still refer to redheads as "ginger" but only some of the time
        • SoftTalker 2 hours ago
          That's a fairly new thing. Growing up, I never heard anyone use "ginger" in that way. It was always "redhead." Or sometimes "strawberry blonde" for lighter shades.
          • rigrassm 1 hour ago
            Millennial checking in, ginger was used all the time when I was a kid
        • manarth 2 hours ago
          Only a ginger should call another person ginger.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw

      • dylan604 2 hours ago
        If you would then please explain the "kick a ginger day" from SouthPark
        • Der_Einzige 1 hour ago
          Old south-park is no longer culturally relevant.
      • card_zero 3 hours ago
        In UK English ginger isn't exactly a color either. It's not like yellow or orange. It's a state of being.

        I don't know why this is being downvoted. Does "ginger-colored" sound right to you? It doesn't quite work.

        • leoedin 3 hours ago
          It's true. A person is ginger, but nobody ever says things are ginger coloured. Ginger isn't even really one colour - it's a spectrum of orange-containing hair colours.
    • DonHopkins 2 hours ago
    • dboreham 3 hours ago
      I always called the orange even when I was in the UK.
    • logicchains 2 hours ago
      In Australia they're known an ranga cats (ranga as in orangutan).
    • fortyseven 2 hours ago
      I'm in the US, but through cultural osmosis, ginger in the UK context is in my vocabulary. I think things like this are going to coalesce, slowly.
    • ReptileMan 3 hours ago
      UK and USA are brotherly nations divided only by their common language.
    • johnnyanmac 1 hour ago
      They are mostly tabbies at the end of the day. But colloquially, yes: the US tends to simply call them orange.
  • thesebas 5 hours ago
    • rob74 4 hours ago
      My experience (cat owner myself, son of cat owners and regular cat-sitter) confirms what the article says: orange cats are no more or less prone to doing seemingly stupid/weird things than cats of any other color. More seriously, I think this stereotype is a direct continuation of stereotypes against red-haired humans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_people_...), so it shouldn't be encouraged...
      • adzm 4 hours ago
        Most likely this is because orange cats are almost always male, and (neutered) male cats tend to be goofier than females.

        I think the association with discrimination against red haired humans is a stretch though

        • delecti 16 minutes ago
          "Almost always male" is slightly overstating things. Cat color is a sex linked gene, so a male cat is orange when it has a copy of the gene on its single X chromosome. Female cats can also be orange under normal circumstances though, and about 20% of orange cats are female.

          Compare that to tortoiseshell or calico cats, which requires two different color genes (with calico requiring the "white spotted" gene in addition to two colors). That means something unusual usually has to happen for those colors to occur in male cats, which is why less than 0.1% of calicos are male.

        • mschuster91 4 hours ago
          Tell that to my female Standard Issue Cats lol. One is food motivated, pretty intelligent when it comes to food and pretty fat, and her twin sister is routinely making me wonder if she's an orange cat with a modified fur. Dumb as rocks but excessively cute.
          • realo 2 hours ago
            "Dumb as rock but excessively cute" ... Funny how that applies to some humans as well!
      • etcetcetcetceta 1 hour ago
        I agree but I don't think it's related to prejudice against redheaded humans, wrt the cats I think it's some sort of confirmation bias.

        Have had >13 cats in my life, and they're all fucking weird.

      • forinti 4 hours ago
        I had couple of cats (orange male and tortoiseshell female) that lived 20 years after I picked them off the street. The female had only one kidney and the male had an extra vertebra but these things only became a problem in their last year.

        They were both very calm creatures. The male was one of the most gentle cats I've ever known. I really miss him greeting me by nodding at me from the sofa when I got home.

        • SwiftyBug 3 hours ago
          Can you describe what the male looked like? I have a tortoiseshell who's all crooked. Her paws are twisted inward, her tail is shaped like a spring, her rear legs are longer than her front legs. She's all weird. Now I'm wondering if she has extra stuff like a vertebra too. Does your male cat looked overall normal despite the extra vertebra?
          • bombcar 1 hour ago
            We had a cat with a "pig tail" as in his tail was shaped like a pig's and couldn't straighten out. The vet said it was some relatively common birth defect and wasn't a major issue.
            • SwiftyBug 1 hour ago
              Oh, cool! I never heard about another cat with a similar tail as my tortie's. The vet said she was probably born like that, but didn't say anything about this being common-ish.
          • forinti 3 hours ago
            They both looked normal and where quite beautiful cats actually.

            We only found out their health issues from exams.

        • gausswho 1 hour ago
          > and the male had an extra vertebra

          My brain seized up trying to picture this. They didn't say vertebrum, so that's not just a wee bone but a whole other second spine! How does it even...?? I must know!

          • forinti 1 hour ago
            Sorry, it was just an extra bone.

            Actually, I think I got it right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebra

            • gausswho 1 hour ago
              You're correct. My neophyte Latin chops be exposed. Let me explain what I just learned with my figurative antennae (plural, not antenna which also ends in 'a' and is singular), something about first and second declensions and neutered...

              No that's plenty enough. Carry on!

      • khelavastr 4 hours ago
        I was just thinking how behavioral differences of red haired foxes, cats, and humans from their closest relatives are explained by the same sort of proopiomelanocortin and other substantia nigra differences from weak MC1R activity.
        • reilly3000 3 hours ago
          As someone who lives with 4 cats, one of which who is orange and conforming with all stereotypes, I implore you to further that line of inquiry. While the OP paper doesn’t claim behavioral differences are supported, it doesn’t falsify them and there could be a dynamic there. If you could genetically encode shamelessness it might encapsulate the behavior. It’s not a lack of intelligence per se, more of a lack of inhibition.

          This paper demonstrates a connection with behavior. I personally suspect gingers have smaller amygdala.

          https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381166835_The_Skin-...

      • xattt 4 hours ago
        Tangential and sample size n = 1, but the two orange cats in my life were spankers/lovers of cat bongos whereas all other coloured cats were not.

        There is something different about them, and the red hair thing is a coincidence.

        • Cthulhu_ 4 hours ago
          We have a tuxedo boi who is a big fan of the butt bongos, n=1 again but still.
      • Oarch 4 hours ago
        Hey, some of us love and appreciate that red hair too!
      • Noaidi 3 hours ago
        Did you know people with blue eyes are more likely to have bipolar disorder? This of course doesn’t mean everyone blue eyes has bipolar disorder but it makes it more likely. I think the issue may be playing out in orange cats as well. It’s certainly not going to give me every orange is weird, but it increases the likelihood and I think that’s why we see the stereotype play out.

        I had an orange cat growing up in the 1970s well before the Internet and out of the seven cast I own as a child. It was very much different.

    • TiredOfLife 1 hour ago
      Turns out racism is funny and accepted if directed against those you don't like
      • cr1895 1 hour ago
        Racism towards...orange cats? Is that your contention?
  • codesnik 26 minutes ago
    I wonder why there's no even a trace of "orange cats are goofy" stereotype in Russia and neighboring countries, as far as I know.
  • PowerElectronix 35 minutes ago
    It's extremely interesting that the genes that regulate this are non-protein coding. More light shed on the actual functionality of "junk" DNA, even if it's for cats.
  • amelius 2 hours ago
    Fun fact: people with red hair have more fear for dentists:

    https://www.dentistryiq.com/dentistry/article/55260898/redhe...

    • kolinko 2 hours ago
      Which makes sense because anesthesia doesn’t work on them as well. One or two encounters with a dentist that doesn’t know it and it’s quite natural to develop such a fear.
  • sleepybrett 1 hour ago
    Still no way to track the one neuron that they all share.
  • jdw64 3 hours ago
    So in the US, they call them orange cats. In Korea, we call them 'cheese tabbies' or 'cheese nyang(kitten).' Someday, when I leave this place, I'd like to get a cat. I really like the ones with broad faces. But right now, I can barely even take care of myself
  • quotemstr 1 hour ago
    Missed headline opportunity: "60-year orange cat itch finally scratched"
  • bitwize 4 hours ago
    They finally proved that the brain cells of all orange cats are a single brain cell in a quantum state of superposition between all of them? Erwin Schrödinger would be proud.
    • shagie 2 hours ago
      {I am not a kook - this is creative writing}

      I've long held that the nine lives of a cat are not a sequential thing, but a quantum superposition of the cat. Just as Pavlov selected dogs for his classic experiment in psychology; Schrödinger - understanding the quantum nature of cats - selected a cat for his thought experiment.

      A cat lives nine simultaneous lives. This explains many of the phenomena that one observes with cats.

      First off, there's the classic "that looks like my cat" from the internet, that other cat could very well be a parallel instance of your cat.

      Second, there's the perceived goofiness of cats as they chase imaginary things when they're forgetting where their bodies are at a given time. One instance of the cat could be locked in mortal combat with the elusive red dot while the other one is jumping at what looks to the humans around him as zoomies or greebles ( https://www.reddit.com/r/greebles/ ).

      Kittens are especially prone to being confused by their quantum nature and prone to those activities.

      The easiest way to pay attention to only one self-instance for a cat is the simplest, sleep. This is why cats have been reported to sleep 12 - 16 hours, and kittens up to 20 hours per day ( https://www.petmd.com/cat/behavior/why-do-cats-sleep-so-much ).

      • Noaidi 1 hour ago
        Depressing that some would call you a kook. Creativity is where new science happens.

        I have often been called a kook myself. I feel my Schizoaffevctive disorder is expressed because the quantum state most people express is not the same as mine.

  • optimalsolver 2 hours ago
    Do orange cats know they’re orange?
    • topspin 1 hour ago
      Interesting question. Cats apparently have "dichromatic" vision, and orange is among the colors that they basically can't distinguish from grey.

      I have an orange male. He's awesome, and he doesn't leave anything on the table as far as cognitive ability goes. He's just very wrapped up in his important cat business that mostly resolves around territory, chipmunks and hanging out with his enemies.

      • wincy 59 minutes ago
        My cat desperately meowed at me this morning to go outside to hang out with her enemies, which I denied her request. She brought a very much alive and unharmed chipmunk home the other day which was booking it around our great room until we corralled him outside with a broom. The live bird incident was even more dramatic. It’s like having a mischievious goblin living in your house. But she does keep the mice from coming in during the winter!
  • MichaelZuo 3 hours ago
    “ Arhgap36 is known to cause developmental problems in other animals when it is over- or under-functioning. But it seems that in orange cats, the gene is overexpressed only in developing and mature pigment cells called melanocytes.”

    This doesn’t make sense… if thousands of anecdotal reports in cats specifically report otherwise? And if it’s known to not be limited to melanocytes in other mammalian species?

    • pas 3 hours ago
      people are very good at seeing their pets conforming to their expectations, whether that is scientifically true or not :)

      https://www.sciencenews.org/article/dog-breed-individual-beh...

      > Breed offers little predictive value for individuals, explaining just 9% of variation in behavior.

      https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0639

      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/which-dog-breed-s... (here note how big the overlap is between breeds for most traits, and clumpiness is rare, but present)

    • combobyte 2 hours ago
      Only an anecdote, but our orange cat doesn't really conform to any of the stereotypes. He so smart he taught himself how to open doors.
      • magneticnorth 7 minutes ago
        Another anecdata - my cat growing up was orange, and he was plenty smart. He was very relaxed/chill but would come when called and was an excellent hunter of the house mice.

        His mom was a very intelligent calico (she communicated with people impressively well), and his dad was an unknown feral cat, so I think his smart-cat genes were more noticeable than whatever correlates with orange.

    • kjs3 2 hours ago
      There's the "my anecdote trumps those scientists facts" guy. Never fails.
    • Noaidi 3 hours ago
      Humans carry this GTPase as well. GTP is energy source of receptors called G protein coupled receptors. They are about 750 these and many of them are catecholamine receptors, like the serotonin and dopamine receptors.

      Humans also carry this gene. https://www.uniprot.org/uniprotkb/Q6ZRI8/entry

      In humans, both DNA and RNA are mostly expressed in the brain and in the endocrine system.

      https://www.proteinatlas.org/ENSG00000147256-ARHGAP36/tissue

      For cats it very well may be different. Genes do not express activity the same indifferent species and they’re definitely not the same in different parts of the body. Genes can express RNA in one part of the body and more DNA and another part.

      But I think this deletion is really about how it affects the methylation the gene.

    • Angostura 2 hours ago
      Wait until you find out about the thousands of anecdotal reports from parents about “sugar rush” in their kids- also without foundation
  • yoonge2 2 hours ago
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  • ourmandave 4 hours ago
    60 years of dissecting fluffy orange kittens is a lot of fluffy orange kittens. =(
    • Aurornis 3 hours ago
      Good news: Genetic research does not involve direction.

      Source: I have had my genome sequence. I was not dissected.

      • Noaidi 1 hour ago
        They did hurt some cats. You cannot do RNA sequencing without looking at tissue samples:

        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096098222...

        "We first performed RNA sequencing (RNA-seq) on skin tissues obtained from the auricles of different adult calico cats (#19, #20, and #22, females, precise ages unknown)"

        Auricles are the earlobes.

        "We then analyzed multiple skin tissues obtained from a young calico cat that died of unknown causes (#01, female, 3 weeks old) "

        "A) Expression levels of ARHGAP36 and IGSF1 in cat auricles (left) and skin tissues (right). RNA-seq data were obtained in small auricle pieces of different coat colors derived from different cats (left) and in skin samples of different coat colors derived from a single calico cat (#01) (right)."

        Biological samples Domestic cat blood Inakazu Dog & Cat Kashii Hospital https://www.inakazu-vet.com/ Domestic cat ovary Cat clinics in Japan N/A Domestic cat auricular Cat clinics in Japan N/A

        • liveoneggs 50 minutes ago
          stray cats are fixed and have ears clipped in several countries so you have an excess of those tissues hanging around no matter what
    • shiandow 4 hours ago
      Why would you need to dissect kittens for a gene study?
      • etatester 2 hours ago
        Dissected cats indeed make for terrible jeans. Very kitsch.
      • ReptileMan 3 hours ago
        You would make a terrible Igor
        • shiandow 3 hours ago
          I would make several great Igors.
          • dotancohen 2 hours ago
            Marry an Olga and name all your children the same.