Submarine cable resilience

(blog.apnic.net)

81 points | by speckx 3 hours ago

7 comments

  • andrewrn 53 minutes ago
    I work on autonomous submarines that image the seafloor, and let me tell you it is very hard to engineer deep ocean systems. Just operationally, testing things in rolling waves is a brutal job. Arguably at parity with space as an engineering design environment.
    • EuanReid 16 minutes ago
      I forget who said it, but there's a quote about how _of course_ we know more about space than the bottom of the ocean - in space we only have to deal with one atmosphere.
  • konschubert 18 minutes ago
    Ah, the “unusually unlucky” cables serving Taiwan and in the Baltics.

    Like statistically impossibly unlucky.

  • alexpotato 1 hour ago
    I worked for an L1 blockchain for a couple years and while the term "decentralized" is bandied about a bit too much, reading articles like this does underscore how vulnerable global traffic is.

    e.g. some EVM chains have a majority of "stake" in either one country or several adjacent countries (particularly in Asia). A cable cut there, which the article points out has happened, can lead to the blockchain getting cut off or even halting.

    • scottyah 1 hour ago
      I think people conflate decentralization with redundancy or resilience. IMO it just means you have multiple points of failure instead of one.
    • hylaride 1 hour ago
      I think the issue is that centralization is more economical due to scale, but that assumes all else (geopolitics or other black swan events) don't impact things.

      We saw a similar thing with supply chains and chip suppliers.

    • embedding-shape 52 minutes ago
      > reading articles like this does underscore how vulnerable global traffic is.

      Then also remember that the internet haven't seen a global outage since forever, worst parts have been when some submarine cables break and traffic has to route around it, but never has the entire thing fully went down. Considering how most of it is built with bandaids, silver-tape and WD40, it's surprising it is as resilient as it is.

  • wuliwong 38 minutes ago
    Underwater cables have been one of the more awe inspiring things for me. I know nothing about them but they seem SO crazy and yet we have them running all across the oceans. .·°՞( ̑ ᗜ ̑ )՞°·.
  • jgrahamc 44 minutes ago
    I have been trying, and failing, to buy a cross section of a submarine cable. I'd love one as an art piece for my house.
    • JMiao 42 minutes ago
      who have you asked?
      • Razengan 10 minutes ago
        Fishes? Octopuses? Cthulhu?
  • Razengan 9 minutes ago
    How practical would be a mesh of satellites shooting lasers at each other for replacing undersea fiber-optic cables?
    • wcfields 0 minutes ago
      Someone else with more experience could chime in but I would put it at less practical due to latency (sats are very high up), bandwidth (one laser vs a bundle of 1000s of fiber optic cables), cost (to overcome latency you need a closer orbit which requires more sats), single point of failure, lifespan, intercepted communications, solar flares… and that’s just off the top of my head.
  • ortusdux 1 hour ago
    Reminds me of the Tom Scott video on the cable singe that leverages the moiré effect:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d99_h30swtM